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White House promises 'smoking gun intelligence'
The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 16, 2003 | Toby Harnden
Posted on 01/15/2003 6:10:18 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: niman
Oh, please. Don't start with the 35As crap. You are so full of it. By the way, did you ever track down those conspirators
who were playing with your head on your stock tipster board? I mean, the ones whose names were all derived from proteases?
301 posted on 01/17/2003 7:50:17 PM PST by The Great Satan
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ROFLMAO! Weren't you saying that on anthrax_fans a year ago?
Did the anthrax_fans exist a year ago?
302 posted on 01/17/2003 7:50:20 PM PST by niman
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Please, don't start with your BS again. We've been through all this, many moons ago. You tried to get personal information
on people, you threatened them with lawsuits, then you took your marbles and ran away, like a good little paranoid schizophrenic.
And now, you surface again, like a smelly turd that refuses to go down the toilet. What's up with that, Niman?
303 posted on 01/17/2003 7:53:50 PM PST by The Great Satan
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I certainly have never said the attack was US sponsored.
Let me clarify. It was state sponsored in the sense that Ames was isolated and grown in the US and the US program provide
sponsorship for developing the know how to weaponize the material. However, the state didn't sponsor (by giving orders) the
one or two US scientists who did the mailings.
304 posted on 01/17/2003 7:54:50 PM PST by niman
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However, the state didn't sponsor (by giving orders) the one or two US scientists who did the mailings.
So you foreswear and eschew the full Kristoff? Once and for all, Steve Hatfill did not receive anthrax from his CIA controls
at a secret Cipro party in a safe house in Virginia, contrary to the absurd suggestion of Nicolas Kristoff in the New York
Times. Correct?
Where's the grand jury, Henry?
305 posted on 01/17/2003 7:57:44 PM PST by The Great Satan
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We've been through all this, many moons ago.
Mort, It looks like most on this board are lacking the science, and I assumed that you could help them out with your expertise.
As far as knowing your identity, it really wasn't that hard, so you need not worry about that. You are who you are and
that part is fairly well known.
306 posted on 01/17/2003 8:01:56 PM PST by niman
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contrary to the absurd suggestion of Nicolas Kristoff in the New York Times. Correct?
As I said, the Morton D Ballard / Louis Mason theory is becoming increasingly popular. Coupled with Alfred Hitchcock's
"Rope" it looks to be an "award winner", which I think you understand.
307 posted on 01/17/2003 8:06:29 PM PST by niman
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Mort, It looks like most on this board are lacking the science, and I assumed that you could help them out with your expertise.
Science? The science of "35 As"? ROFL! Nobody's going to be fooled by your BS diarrhea of pseudo-scientific
jargon this time around, niman. It's too late for a snow job. Nobody's buying it. Try posting a picture of yourself wearing
a white coat. Too bad about losing that tenure-track position by the way. What was the problem? Too much BS?
BTW, where's the grand jury, Henry?
308 posted on 01/17/2003 8:08:01 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: Allan
1. The anthrax did not come from the USA.
Even Level 1 is tricky here. Ames strain anthrax did come from the U.S.A., of course. It was isolated from a dead cow
in Texas, now the second most famous cow in history (the first being Mrs. O'Leary's cow which did not start the Great Chicago
Fire).
Presumably when people say that the anthrax did not come from the U.S.A, they mean that a sample was brought from the
U.S.A. to another country, where it was cultured and weaponized; also that it was delivered by foreign agents in support of
some foreign military or terrorist purpose.
309 posted on 01/17/2003 8:10:48 PM PST by Mitchell
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I just hope no intelligence assets lose their life over the disclosures or that any very secret technology is compromised.
310 posted on 01/17/2003 8:14:17 PM PST by fso301
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Too bad about losing that tenure-track position by the way
Vic, Speaking of positions, how do you like working in NJ? Looks to be a much easier commute.
311 posted on 01/17/2003 8:14:42 PM PST by niman
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Presumably when people say that the anthrax did not come from the U.S.A, they mean that a sample was brought from the
U.S.A. to another country, where it was cultured and weaponized; also that it was delivered by foreign agents in support of
some foreign military or terrorist purpose.
Mitchell, You have been listing to Vic too much. Can you name ONE citation for Ames with 35 A's outside of the US that
matches the attack Ames? I susspect Vic will not want to discuss this from a science point of view, because there is NO DATA.
How about from a media point of view. Have you read one citation of Ames with 35 A's outside of the US? I didn't think
so.
312 posted on 01/17/2003 8:18:58 PM PST by niman
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What was the problem? Just that your science was no good, or was it your paranoid-schizophrenic tendencies, or you proclivity
for threatening people with lawsuits?
313 posted on 01/17/2003 8:19:27 PM PST by The Great Satan
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1. The anthrax did not come from the USA.
I should have been more precise.
Rephrase that:
1. The spores did not come from the USA.
314 posted on 01/17/2003 8:21:51 PM PST by Allan
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I didn't say whether I believed that it came from outside the U.S.A., or in what sense it might have come from outside
the U.S.A. I was merely pointing out that even asking what it means to come from outside the U.S.A. was more complicated than
one might realize.
And, no, TGS has not convinced everyone of his theory. My mind is open until I see some actual evidence.
315 posted on 01/17/2003 8:24:07 PM PST by Mitchell
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for threatening people with lawsuits?
Vic, I would think that a lawsuit would be the least of your worries. Let's focus on some science and put some of that
UPenn PhD training to work.
Why is it that no one has come up with ONE example of Ames with 35 A's outside of the US?
316 posted on 01/17/2003 8:26:37 PM PST by niman
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Don't start with the BS henry. Just tell us about the tenure thing. That must have been quite a blow. Still, I think Pitt
is well rid of you. Even in a low status department like Epidemiology, you want people who are a little bit more than bullsh***ers,
correct?
317 posted on 01/17/2003 8:30:19 PM PST by The Great Satan
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I was merely pointing out that even asking what it means to come from outside the U.S.A. was more complicated than one
might realize.
Mitchell, Good point. By definition all Ames attack anthrax originated from the US because the bacteria was isolated from
a cow that died in Texas in 1980. In fact I know of only two natural isolates of Ames, and both came from Texas (not withstanding
the Ames-like nonsense posted about the accidental releas in the former Soviet Union in 1979).
318 posted on 01/17/2003 8:30:32 PM PST by niman
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TGS has not convinced everyone of his theory. My mind is open until I see some actual evidence.
Mitchell, Glad to hear that. I was worried that Vic had converted everyone on the anthrax_fans board in my absence. I
take it that Vic hasn't presented any evidence there either.
319 posted on 01/17/2003 8:33:10 PM PST by niman
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Where's the grand jury, henry?
320 posted on 01/17/2003 8:33:59 PM PST by The Great Satan
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Just tell us about the tenure thing.
Vic, Your guesses about me have never been right, so why started discussing false info? You've have a PhD from U Penn
since 1990 and have experince in vaccines and now you have graduated to monoclonals, my specialty, but lets just say you are
scientically trained and should be able to help the readers understand that the sequencing of the attack Ames identified a
very interesting locus that can be used to distnguish several Ames isolates and this intersting locus is IDENTICAL in the
attack Ames and the Ames from USAMRIID.
321 posted on 01/17/2003 8:39:49 PM PST by niman
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1. The spores did not come from the USA.
Allan, Can you cite ONE examples of spores from outside of the US that are an EXACT match with the attack Ames and 35
A's? The has been PUBLISHED in Science for USAMRIID. Exactly the same as the attack anthrax, down to the 35 A's on pX02.
322 posted on 01/17/2003 8:43:23 PM PST by niman
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323 posted on 01/17/2003 8:47:27 PM PST by The Great Satan
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Anthrax Sequence: Useful Data But No Smoking Gun
Martin Enserink
Science Magazine, 10 May, 2002
Seven months after anthrax letters hit U.S. media and government offices, investigators still haven't nabbed a suspect--and
the genome project launched in part to help them seems unlikely to provide a break either. An analysis of the genome of the
strain used in the attacks, published online this week by Science (www.sciencexpress.org), has yielded extra tools for fingerprinting
the hundreds of different anthrax strains, but little in the paper suggests that it can help the FBI tie the attack strain
to a specific lab.
"I don't see how this could help us much," says Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, director of the Federation of American
Scientists' Chemical and Biological Arms Control Program, who has closely watched the federal investigation. But even without
an immediate payoff, researchers at The Institute for Genomic Research (TIGR) in Rockville, Maryland, who conducted the research,
say it provided experience in comparing microbial genomes that could be useful in future outbreaks.
Last fall's letters contained spores of a Bacillus anthracis strain called Ames, which was collected from a dead cow in
Texas in 1981, sent to the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Maryland, and later
forwarded for experiments to some 14 other labs.
Because microbes mutate whenever they grow, it's possible that the current strain at each lab is a little different from
the rest. And if one of them happens to match the attack strain, now dubbed Florida, it might lead to the bioterrorists. But
until recently, genetic fingerprinting studies by Paul Keim's lab at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff had looked at
diversity at just several dozen markers, rather than the entire genome, and these had failed to discriminate among different
Ames isolates.
Now, TIGR's Timothy Read, Keim, and others have sequenced the entire Florida strain and compared it with the so-called
Porton strain, whose genome TIGR had already sequenced. (A paper describing that genome is due out later this year.) Like
most strains, the Florida strain contains two extra rings of DNA, called plasmids, that the Porton strain lacks, so the researchers
compared their sequences with the plasmids from two other strains. In all, the team found 53 places where the Florida genome
differed from the Porton strain and the two previously sequenced plasmids.
But could these apparent genetic hotspots also help tell apart other, previously indistinguishable anthrax strains? To
find out, the researchers took four Ames isolates collected from various labs; another Ames strain from a dead goat in Texas;
and two non-Ames strains found in cattle. For each strain, they determined the exact sequence at each of the 53 markers.
Although the markers could clearly distinguish the samples from dead animals, they did a poor job of discriminating among
the four lab strains. One had 36 copies of the nucleotide A where others had only 35--an almost meaningless difference. Another
had 37 copies at that same spot; but that strain also lacked one of the plasmids, making it easy to tell apart anyway. At
all the other markers, the four lab strains and the Florida strain were identical. Theoretically, more variation may emerge
when the Ames strains from all 15 labs are put through the same 53-marker test. But the scant differences found so far "offer
only slim hope that something useful will come out," says Rosenberg. Still, says Keim, the study shows that full-genome
sequencing could be a useful forensic tool. And in cases such as bioterror crimes, the price tag--some $125,000 for a bug's
genome--is hardly an issue: "A lawyer's sneeze costs more than that."
324 posted on 01/17/2003 8:58:29 PM PST by The Great Satan
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Vic, The article you posted merely says that you can't exclude ALL labs but one. However, it provides NO DATA for even
ONE exact match outside of the US.
325 posted on 01/17/2003 9:52:21 PM PST by niman
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Vic,
What does ImClone's chart look like (do they offer any options in the money to new employees)?
326 posted on 01/17/2003 9:54:36 PM PST by niman
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"THIS IS NEXT
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX
YOU CAN NOT STOP US"
You know something? I think there may be something not quite right with this version. I mean, isn't there something missing
and aren't the phrases from two different letters? Where's the line about death and Allah? I mean isn't the "threat"
not just a warning or is? Man I'm confused.I wonder is TGS could help me out with this?
I'll wait for an answer.
"THIS IS NEXT
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX
YOU CAN NOT STOP US"
327 posted on 01/17/2003 10:12:27 PM PST by co-jones
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That quote is on the post for the graphic he turned me on to:
I had no idea he was tenured.
328 posted on 01/17/2003 10:35:05 PM PST by txflake
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Gee, and just where have I seen that picture before?
I believe that one of the unholy trinity may have been looking for it as he said he "lost" his copy.
SHhhhhh, listen carefully - what do you hear?
Could that possibly be The Fat Lady Singing?
329 posted on 01/17/2003 10:45:48 PM PST by AnthraxProfiler
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To: AnthraxProfiler
So is the guy selling anthrax vaccine, or what?
330 posted on 01/17/2003 10:52:27 PM PST by txflake
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To: Allan
It isn't. I'll just say I think both are wrong and let it go at that.
331 posted on 01/17/2003 10:55:21 PM PST by keri
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"THIS IS NEXT WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX YOU CAN NOT STOP US"
Of course this is nonsense. The THIS IS NEXT was from the Sept 18 letter that most recipients just threw in the garbage.
No one knew what the idiot was taking about. He was so delusional that he sent a letter about anthrax and never included the
word anthrax! The guy was a complete moron. When the victims developed lesions, they thought they were insect bites!
Our clueless clown then wrote the second letter, which included WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX, YOU CAN NOT STOP US, expecting people
to believe that the letters came from the dead hijackers. Utter nonsense that was believed by a few nuts into involved convolted
plots involving "sleeper cells".
If you think about, these detailed plans designed to deceive were somewhat like the attempted "perfect crime"
of Leonard and Loeb who created the fake names of Morton P Ballard and Louis Mason and left clues to shift the blame elsewhere.
Now what moron(s) would immitate those clowns, who messed up big time and got life plus 99 years for ONE murder.
The anthrax mailer(s) should be so lucky!
332 posted on 01/17/2003 10:59:59 PM PST by niman
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Why do you ask?
Has he been trying to sell something here?
Were there many buyers?
You know, some folks sure are naive.
333 posted on 01/17/2003 11:00:40 PM PST by AnthraxProfiler
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No, just that this thread has been going on for days, nobody knows what the smoking gun is, but many people are convinced
it's anthrax. Passionately. I just want the gun ID'd.
334 posted on 01/17/2003 11:10:00 PM PST by txflake
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To: niman
Was it Shakespeare who wrote, The Devil can quote the bible for his own purpose, or did he write Satan can quote the bible
for his own purpose?
Oh well, guess it doesn't much matter now.
I'm really tired. Had a long day and I've got a really big day tomorrow. Think I'll get some sleep - now.
335 posted on 01/17/2003 11:13:11 PM PST by AnthraxProfiler
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I'm surprised after reading this entire thread that one of our researchers hasn't posted Dr. Hamza's comments regarding
where the Iraqi atomic device was to be detonated for underground testing. (I think Hamza had already defected when the Iraqis
tested the 'Hiroshima type device'; the choices for testing were all listed for consideration and the top two were known to
Hamza when he defected.)
If one wants a smoking gun, the test site is the obvious answer. The Iraqis tested a device, and have been seeking to
construct duplicate devices while trying to develop a larger device ... and they may have already succeeded in that endeavor,
but haven't tested it nor do they need to since the specs would have been proven with the initial test successfully completed
(as a detonator for the larger version).
Regarding a smoking gun, there are several already billowing : the training base 80 kilks south of Baghdad, the sponsorship
for Palestinian and Hamas terrorist activities and successes, the Anthrax genetically linked to the supply we sent to Iraq
during the Iran-Iraq war, the 1993 attack on the WTC, the connection between Iraqi Intelligence chiefs and Atta, the ... well,
you get the gist.
336 posted on 01/17/2003 11:15:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (Manama na, meep meep maneemie, manama na, meep mee menie ...)
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That test site, if confirmed, would be a much more galvanizing revelation than all other developing proofs. And I think
it needs to be on the table before SH is allowed to take exile.
339 posted on 01/17/2003 11:28:28 PM PST by txflake
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Im a bit lost on your dialogue with Niman but I have a friend who is in the bio field ....he has long held the anthrax
is probably from Iraq and says it is very difficult to aeresolize (sp?) and needs to be done in a well equipped lab
340 posted on 01/17/2003 11:30:03 PM PST by woofie
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I think that notion, the the Devil can quote scripture, actually comes from the New Testament.
341 posted on 01/17/2003 11:32:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (Manama na, meep meep maneemie, manama na, meep mee menie ...)
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To: Allan
Bump
342 posted on 01/18/2003 12:02:49 AM PST by Allan
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"THIS IS NEXT WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX YOU CAN NOT STOP US"
Note the use of the word 'US'. And note the size of the conventional forces the United States, Great Britain and Australia
are putting togther. Also note that the strings on the Russian forces to the north have been lifted.
343 posted on 01/18/2003 2:23:32 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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Perhaps you can show the UN inspectors where, how and when Saddam disposed of his anthrax bioweapons.
344 posted on 01/18/2003 2:27:11 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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Gulf War Syndrome is a myth
Actually, the health problems of former veterans of the Gulf War have been so severe and obvious that they forced our
government to admit that the army mistakenly blew up some chemical/biological WMD that Saddam apparently had mislabelled and
piled amongst a conventional weapons storage bunker.
Why do you think that 'in the know' military personnal want Saddam so badly ?
345 posted on 01/18/2003 2:34:52 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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he has long held the anthrax is probably from Iraq and says it is very difficult to aeresolize (sp?) and needs to be done
in a well equipped lab
Well the aerosolization is out of my area but the US has admitted finding silica in the attack anthrax and some have speculated
that colloidal silica was used to aerosolize the attack anthrax.
Vic (aka The Great Satan) used colloidal silica as a major ingredient in his PhD thesis, so he is probably the best one
to ask about aerosolization.
346 posted on 01/18/2003 2:36:11 AM PST by niman
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Im a bit lost on your dialogue with Niman but I have a friend who is in the bio field
I believe the dialogue was painfully obvious to Vic. If you want a clue to the real deal here, check out Vic's favorite
movie, Rope, by Alfred Hitchcock. It is loosely based on the Leopold and Loeb case and it is about two college students who
murder a classmate and dump the body in a chest in their room. They then invite friends to a party in their room and the true
facts slowly emerge.
All I can say at this point, is "Welcome to the Party". The fun has just begun (and Elvis, aka Vic, has left
the building).
347 posted on 01/18/2003 2:43:01 AM PST by niman
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So is the guy selling anthrax vaccine, or what?
Check out Leopold and Loeb. They wanted to commit the "perfect crime". They killed a classmate just for the
thrill of it, to show that they were superior intellects and could get away with it. Pretty remarkable, but a true story.
They really bothched the murder and left a lot of evidence, even though they did a lot of planning ahead of time, including
creating ficticious sharacters, Morton D Ballard and Louis Mason, to send the police chasing wild goose chases. They even
arrested someone, named George Johnson, who matched the fictional name of their fictional killer. Now I know no one has called
Sadaam Hussein, George Johnson, but there are enough clues to figure out the real deal here.
Just blow the dust and waiting till you see how the real thing flys.
348 posted on 01/18/2003 2:55:34 AM PST by niman
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Why do you think that 'in the know' military personnal want Saddam so badly ?
Uh, that would be because he flattened the World Trade Center and smashed a jet airliner into the Pentagon on the morning
of 9/11/01.
349 posted on 01/18/2003 4:40:21 AM PST by The Great Satan
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that would be because he flattened the World Trade Center and smashed a jet airliner into the Pentagon on the morning
of 9/11/01
Actually, Sadams not the suicidal type. Just like Allah, he has others do his fighting for him. Al Queda suicide terrorists
flew the planes. Saddam was probably in his bunker or in one of his Palaces watching it live on CNN. Noone suspected Saddams
involvement early on. Word was slowly leaked down from the top, I suspect.
350 posted on 01/18/2003 4:53:39 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 16, 2003 | Toby Harnden
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Im a bit lost on your dialogue with Niman but I have a friend who is in the bio field ....he has long held the anthrax
is probably from Iraq and says it is very difficult to aeresolize (sp?) and needs to be done in a well equipped lab
Inside baseball. Niman is a failed scientist turned internet stock tipster. He has been very active on the internet promulgating
the notion that Steven Hatfill is the anthrax killer, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with left-wing busybody Barbara Hatch
Rosenberg and deranged JDO activist and Bob Dylan "garbologist" Alan J. Weberman, who maintains the web site DR
STEVEN "MENGELE" HATFILL NAZI SWINE. (See the the Weekly Standard article The Hunting of Steven J. Hatfill for some
amusing details on Weberman.)
Niman has a track record of paranoia and internet trouble-making. For example, some years ago he was kicked off Prodigy
over an e-mail spam campaign he waged against the company:
Henry Niman, a University of Pittsburgh researcher who was kicked offline, said he does like Prodigy--he even persuaded
several friends and colleagues to sign up. He said his motive in protesting the email rates was to try to keep Prodigy a good
system.
Without naming anyone, Prodigy officials have charged that Niman and the others are really a small band of ``hackers''
who used devious software to flood the mailboxes of other users and advertisers with increasingly nasty harangues. In November,
it posted new regulations forbidding the use of "automatic" mail forwarders and barring users from contacting advertisers
online except to make orders or inquire about orders.
Niman says he compiled a list of about 900 people interested in the email issue by using Prodigy's own membership-list
function, which lets one search for members by city and state, and that he and others simply collected the addresses of advertisers
from their email responses.
Source: Prodigy: Where Is It Going?
In his internet stock picker incarnation, Niman has pushed the stock of a company called Ligand Pharmaceuticals, which
he has or had a considerable financial stake in ("He calls his holdings sizable, but not in the range of whole percentage
points"):
While Niman and his site are independent of Ligand, he does, as an investor, have a vested interest in Ligand's well-being.
So far, Niman says, this potential conflict of interest hasn't affected what he puts on his site. "I try to put up a
pretty objective analysis," he says. "It doesn't help to distort the situation."
Readers of Ligand's site say they simply take Niman's bias into account. "I think most people understand he's totally
bullish on the company," says one Boston-based Ligand investor. He adds that while he doesn't think Niman would post
anything misleading or inaccurate about Ligand, he might not create a link to a negative Ligand story.
Source: Web home brew
Sadly, it appears that unwary, scientifically-naive investors impressed by Niman's trademark snowstorm of jargon and technical
buzzwords have lost a lot of money on Ligand:
Niman claims that the company's stock market nose-dive has been driven by a conspiracy:
Beginning last March, Niman started getting "flamed" or attacked in messages from other posters on web sites.
That's somewhat par for the course in chat rooms. But then Niman says forged messages began to appear on Yahoo! under the
moniker "Henry Niman, Ph.D." requesting child pornography. As months went by, the attacks got nastier, following
Niman into the Usenet forum, misc.stocks.invest and stock chat room Raging Bull. Somebody joined Silicon Investor with a version
of his name and identical biographical data, although SI canceled the account after being notified by Niman. Niman found himself
under siege by groups of people with hard-to-trace pseudonyms and no history of posting in Ligand chat rooms. Unlike the prompt
attention he got from SI, multiple complaints to Yahoo! had no effect.
Source: 'Links to Ligand' takes it lumps
Oh dear!
I had the displeasure of interacting with Niman at some length on a private e-mail list, anthrax_fans, last year. When
I brought up certain similarities between his internet campaign against Steve Hatfill and the Prodigy and Ligand debacles,
he demanded to know my personal information and threatened to sue me. Shortly afterwards, he left anthrax_fans (or maybe the
moderator banned him, I forget now), and started another private anthrax board, which I believe is called real_anthrax. This
is primarily for believers in the Steve Hatfill Nazi Swine hypothesis. I'm not a member of that forum.
Niman's babbling about Morton D. Ballard and Louis Mason pertain to my choice of the screen name on anthrax_fans, which
reflects my rather morbid, Hitchcockian sense of humor. AnthraxProfiler is a newcomer to the internet anthrax whacko club
who has developed an obsession with my internet postings and built a five-page web site to showcase them and imply that I
am involved in the anthrax killings. Apparently, it was all an attempt to manipulate the stock price of some biotech companies,
you see. Is AnthraxProfiler another incarnation of Niman? Dunno. Someone suggested to me, based on the IP address of AnthraxProfiler,
that he might be in Folsom penitentiary. I've no idea, but he's certainly someone with a lot of time on his hands.
BTW, I have no association with ImClone, I own no stock in the company, don't live in New Jersey, never went to Penn,
my PhD thesis has nothing to do with silicon dioxide, and my real name isn't Vic. Niman's batting .000, but, when you look
at his history, that's just par for the course.
351 posted on 01/18/2003 5:01:59 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: niman
A terrific play and film. The psychology also applies to Saddam, his micro-biologist people and such.
352 posted on 01/18/2003 5:18:18 AM PST by bvw
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To: MadIvan
January 27, 2003 is the day for the
“ Smoking gun intelligence reports “
k2afe
353 posted on 01/18/2003 5:24:32 AM PST by k2afe
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To: The Great Satan
Mmmm... Nope!
Thanks for playing, please try again. ;-)
354 posted on 01/18/2003 6:27:18 AM PST by Matthew James
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To: The Great Satan
BRAVO BRAVO!
We were wondering just how long it would take you to "google up' and string together your retort. Much much longer
than usual. Maybe Google was having maintenance done.
You know, Google is a great search engine for finding archives when a site inhibits doing so.
I was just reading some of your vicious assaults on Freepers who didn't quite see things your way. Wow. What venome. You
certainly do go for the juggler.
So, since you don't live in New Jersey, just between us, and it’s certainly no threatening revelation, which
state do you live in?
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