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November 9 2001 FBI publishes Behavioral Profile of the anthrax mailer

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FBI fleshes out likely anthrax sender
Washington Times ^ | 11/10/01 | Jerry Seper and Guy Taylor


Posted on 11/09/2001 11:22:09 PM PST by kattracks



The FBI yesterday said three anthrax-laced letters sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, NBC News and the New York Post probably were written by the same person, an adult male who may have worked in a laboratory or has a scientific background.




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1 posted on 11/09/2001 11:22:09 PM PST by kattracks
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Hmmm.
1st anthrax letter to a tabloid editor.
One letter to Brokaw, but nothing sent to Dan Rather?
Middle-aged, educated, loner male, not a Muslim, dislikes public confrontations.

Duh It's GARY CONDIT !

Remember it took almost 4 months for Condit to break his silence to Connie chung and he was obviously uncomfortable.


2 posted on 11/10/2001 1:09:34 AM PST by Mr. Snrub
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Authorities believe the letter writer also may have held a grudge against those to whom he sent the letters, although investigators have not yet determined what that grievance might have been.


Hmm, maybe they should have tried reading the letter.


3 posted on 11/10/2001 1:16:27 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Hmm, maybe they should have tried reading the letter.
It sounds like they are looking for a Tim McVeigh type instead of a muslim-extremist. Friggin geniuses.


4 posted on 11/10/2001 1:26:24 AM PST by Always Right
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"Did you get my letter yet?"


5 posted on 11/10/2001 1:30:36 AM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: Clinton's a rapist
I'm with you. The fact that some the terrorists of the 11th were based in New Jersey and outside of Boca Raton is too much of a coincidence for me. (I understand law enforcement is taught not to believe in concidences.) Also, Jonah Goldberg's theory that someone initally misunderstood their orders and targeted American Media rather than the american media is pretty telling. I'm afraid the authorities are barking up the wrong tree by not tying this to the tragedy of the 11th. I'd be checking records for visa holders that have worked at labs or universities that have anthrax study capacities.

6 posted on 11/10/2001 1:44:11 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
I'd be checking records for visa holders that have worked at labs or universities that have anthrax study capacities.
Contrary to what you might have heard, no ordinary university lab could have produced the milled, coated anthrax sent to Daschle. The anthrax was produced by a state. It is not hard to guess which state.


7 posted on 11/10/2001 1:50:04 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Clinton's a rapist
No, no. Isolated wacko. Buy some doughnuts at the new KrispyKreme, move along...
I find it HILARIOUS that the anthrax was obviously manufactured before the attacks, released immediately afterwards, and people in areas with suspected links to the hijackers(and terrorists in general) come down with the disease, yet we're looking for "loners."

I love how they have these profilers, who always trot out the same profile for every crime that isn't a gangland hit, and act like they have something for us.

Um, I don't know guys, you think maybe if the anthrax has an additive that is only found in a few state labs, and that the wife of one of the editors of Amer. Media rented out an apartment to two of these guys, might mean that you can't blame it on those darn militia and/or wacko-types that you like to incinerate, or whose women you like to snipe?


8 posted on 11/10/2001 1:59:06 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Granted. And I suspect that state has ties with Bin Laden. Yet, the anthrax was mailed within the United States and the perpetrator could very well still be here.
Incidentally, I write in all capitals and express true capitals by writing them a bit larger than the rest. It is a habit I picked up about 15 years ago trying to emulate the very legible writing of an engineer/draftsman in my office. This practice reduces error in the field.


9 posted on 11/10/2001 2:06:24 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Mr. Snrub
"One letter to Brokaw, but nothing sent to Dan Rather?"
If I remember correctly, a female in Rather's office contracted cutaneous anthrax on her face from a letter sent to Rather. Rather also stated on national TV that the anthrax infection was "unresponsive to penicillin," but as far as I know, the female is now OK after treatment with Cipro.


11 posted on 11/10/2001 2:21:32 AM PST by Terrorista Nada
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Gee, I wonder.......
(10-19-01) News Max U.S. Tightens Travel Restrictions for Cuban diplomats in D.C. (Text) WASHINGTON (AP) - The government has tightened travel restrictions on Cuban diplomats working in Washington, the State Department said Friday. Officials based at the Cuban Interests Section will have to give the government 72 hours' notice if they want to travel outside a 273-square-mile area around Washington, deputy spokesman Philip Reeker said.

Previously the travel limit was 1,961 square miles.

The changes were made to conform with travel restrictions that U.S. diplomats have faced in Havana, Reeker said. They took effect Tuesday.

There was no explanation for the timing of the changes. The Bush administration has advocated a tougher line with Fidel Castro's communist government than the Clinton administration had.

The new restrictions will limit the free movement of Cuban diplomats generally to the area inside the Capital Beltway, the highway that surrounds Washington. That's roughly a 10-mile radius from the White House and includes areas of Virginia and Maryland. The Cubans also will be allowed to travel outside the Beltway to Dulles International Airport in Virginia.

Those wishing to travel outside the restricted area may do so by giving 72 hours' notice. They can travel if the government does not object.

There was no immediate comment from the Cuban Foreign Ministry in Havana or the Cuban Interests Section.

Cuba and the United States do not have diplomatic relations, so the interests sections serve as the equivalent of embassies. The State Department said Cuba has 25 diplomats in Washington, and the United States has 52 in Havana.


12 posted on 11/10/2001 2:31:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Did you all know that al Qaeda has infiltrated the US Army Green Berets and the JFK Special Warfare school at Ft. Bragg? Wouldn't surprise me if they have someone in Central Command at MacDill, either (Tampa). There's also a good possibility they infiltrated Patrick AFB too in Melbourne, Florida (where the US State Dept. bases their drug crop-dusters).
http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=ALIMOHAMED-10-24-01&cat=AN


13 posted on 11/10/2001 2:32:42 AM PST by Terrorista Nada
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(Dec 2001) Insight Magazine Fidel May Be Part of Terror Campaign--[Excerpt] Three Afghani nationals and suspected al-Qaeda members caught trying to deposit $2 million in a bank in the Cayman Islands last August were found to have entered the British colony on a commercial flight from nearby Cuba using false Pakistani passports. British authorities who arrested the three men believe that they were handling drug proceeds laundered in Havana.
Colombia's former national police chief, Gen. Rosso José Serrano, maintains that Cuba also has facilitated contacts between radical Muslim militants and leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas. Serrano says that about 100 Afghanis have entered Colombia during the last decade to introduce cultivation of heroin poppies in guerrilla-held areas. An Egyptian terrorist belonging to al-Gamal al-Islamiya - who was wanted in connection with the 1997 massacre of 80 Western tourists near Cairo - entered Colombia illegally in 1998 to hold talks with FARC and was arrested and turned over to U.S. authorities.

Cuban biological/chemical-warfare technology also has been detected in Colombia. A FARC bomb that burned out the lungs of an entire police garrison in the Colombian town of San Adolfo last September contained chlorine-based poison gas, according to a lab analysis of the device. Some 20 Cuban military advisers currently are operating with FARC, according to Colombian army intelligence. It also has intercepted guerrilla radio communications in which FARC's military commander, Jorge Briceno, alias "Mono Jojoy," talks about forming an "anti-imperialist front" to launch terrorist attacks against targets in the United States. "To take away their economic resources wherever they may be, reach into North America and get to their own territory," says Briceno, "to make them feel the pain which they have inflicted on others."

In September, meanwhile, as Montes frantically transmitted information to her DGI spymasters through Cuba's mission to the United Nations, according to an FBI affidavit, Castro was ordering a military alert in Cuba and calling up reserves. A CIA psychiatric profiler who has studied Castro's personality believes that the Cuban dictator was displaying "geriatric overexertion." But top intelligence specialists tell Insight that Castro may have had reasons to fear a possible U.S. retaliation when President George W. Bush declared his war on terrorism. [End Excerpt]--Much more in column.


14 posted on 11/10/2001 2:38:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Middle-aged, educated, loner male, not a Muslim, dislikes public confrontations.
Where does it say "not a Muslim" ???


15 posted on 11/10/2001 2:46:27 AM PST by The Raven
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thanks for spreading the word, and... good morning, CW : )

16 posted on 11/10/2001 2:47:03 AM PST by xsmommy
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Exactly Raven; it doesn't say "not a Muslim" anywhere; in fact, this personality type sounds like the unbalanced terrorist. They have also not ruled out ties to terrorist groups, and that strikes me as the most likely.
I've always thought it was someone in or tied to the terrorists. Just where does the average deviant personality type come up with anthrax, and the finely tuned version more specifically?

With all that they know, it points more and more conclusively at someone involved with terrorism. (Loose slips slink hips) does anybody really believe this latest craze that top secret military info is being dumped here? What a hoot!


17 posted on 11/10/2001 3:40:29 AM PST by Constitution1st
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Indexing.

18 posted on 11/10/2001 3:57:45 AM PST by aristeides
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"It sounds like they are looking for a Tim McVeigh type" Imagine how bad it would be if that turns out to be the case ...

19 posted on 11/10/2001 4:01:38 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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Which member of Bush's cabinet is responsible for the FBI?

20 posted on 11/10/2001 4:04:09 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Hmm, maybe they should have tried reading the letter.
Let me add to the speculation pot.

1. The leading zeros in the date formation ("09-11-01") tell me the writer is more likely to use a computer for writing than pen and paper. He/she/it may even be a computer geek.

2. The formation of the 1's indicates deliberate composition, as though this were more a work of art than a work of writing. Again, I think it means this individual seldom communicates by handwriting. (This would tend to rule out doctors, nurses or students, where handwriting is used intensively.)

3. The "can not" could indicate that English is the second language of the writer or that poor language skills are evident. I have no proof other than personal observation, but I can say that over the twenty years that I've been involved, some of the most brilliant computerists I've known have been the poorest spellers and grammarians.

Sami Al-Arian?

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

For better viewing download 8Mb file here


21 posted on 11/10/2001 4:36:06 AM PST by JCG
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Once again the FBI throws up a smokescreen. All that's going on here is a justification for the misuse of limited FBI resources.
Someone inside the FBI working for alQeda keeps setting them up to run down the wrong trail.

This stuff was undoubtedly all entered into the mail BEFORE 9/11. The late delivery is readily explained through examination of normal processes, one of which is the abominable service afforded single-piece First-Class Mail not directed to a corporate remittance box.

Since the alQeda agent knows that the perpetrator is not a blue-eyed blond white male, they know that this pursuit will never end as long as the FBI and others are led to believe that there is a domestic source.

Here's where to look inside the FBI to find Osama Bin Lade's secret agent:

1. among the ranks of everyone who received a promotion into FBI headquarters over the last 5 years

2. within that category, everyone with a Middle-Eastern connection by marriage, residency or blood-ties.

3. within that category, any FBI agent or other FBI employee to receive a recommendation at any stage of his or her career from former Representative Bonier.

Should be easy to find them, and no doubt this person, or these persons, will be in a position to suggest profiles for the perpetrator.


22 posted on 11/10/2001 6:31:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Constitution1st
Just where does the average deviant personality type come up with anthrax, and the finely tuned version more specifically?
Not only where do they come up with it.....but the timing was a few weeks after Sept 11. Not enough time for someone to plan this as an afterthought


23 posted on 11/10/2001 9:50:03 AM PST by The Raven
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Releasing this information to the public must have been approved at the very highest levels. Who has the responsibility for oversight of the FBI? Is it the Attorney General or the Solicitor General? Ashcroft or Olsen? I gather you think one of them is failing to do his job. Which one?

24 posted on 11/10/2001 12:04:37 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
So, who would buy into this profile? In the absence of alternatives, e.g. the one that includes Mr. Atta and two of the other hijackers in the show, plus valid analysis of the actual workings of the mail system, the top people at Justice probably feel there's no choice.
So the development of the profile has to be at a lower level, and it has to be done by someone who is exceedingly biased against Americans or very pro-Osama Bin Laden.


25 posted on 11/10/2001 1:51:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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I'm not supposed Ashcroft and Olsen came up with the profile, but you'd expect they'd have wanted it cleared with them before it was made public, and you'd expect they'd ask all the tough questions and insist on good answers before they'd agree to it.

26 posted on 11/10/2001 1:58:27 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Neither one of them is prepared to ask the right questions about how the mail system works - as far as they know carriers deliver mail and clerks sell stamps.
There's a lot more to it than that. No doubt Al Qeda has an agent placed high up in the Justice Department ranks.


27 posted on 11/10/2001 4:42:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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If neither one of them are prepared to do their jobs, that's pretty serious. I thought with Reno gone and especially after the Waco and Ruby Ridge fiascos we were finally going to get some proper oversight of the FBI and now you're telling me we've got incompetent people running the show?

28 posted on 11/10/2001 4:52:33 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
I have no idea at all regarding their competency, but I think the top guys in Justice and FBI think the anthrax business is too small a deal to really work on it.
It is very clear to all informed people that the FBI has yet to tap into the Postal Service's cadre of highly qualified and experienced mail flow analysts to come up with some answers.


29 posted on 11/10/2001 5:01:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Quilla
FBI: Must...Not...Let...American people....know...that this was anthrax given to al-queda by Saddam Hussein... Bush can't be right, Must proliferate the wacknut, rightwing, loner angle...



30 posted on 04/06/2005 5:20:01 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68
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Sad...But...[more than likely]...True.



31 posted on 04/06/2005 5:35:11 AM PDT by Quilla
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax: same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.
UPI ^ | March 21, 2005 | Dee Ann Divis


Posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by Gene Vidocq


WASHINGTON -- Anthrax has been confirmed in samples collected from the two Pentagon mail facilities that were at first closed last week and then declared free of the pathogen, United Press International has learned.

The head of the company that was accused of contaminating the samples sent from those facilities -- a detached building on the Pentagon grounds in Arlington, Va., and the other in Falls Church, Va. -- said the presence of anthrax was detected independently by two government laboratories.

Robert B. Harris, president and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Biotechnologies Inc. in Richmond, Va., also said the anthrax found was the same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.


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1 posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:24 AM PST by Gene Vidocq
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To: Gene Vidocq
Mark for later



2 posted on 03/21/2005 10:56:27 AM PST by Dad2Angels
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To: Gene Vidocq
What???
We REALLy need to work on our response to Bio Terrorism...this sends a message to AQ look! were confused and Discombobulated!



3 posted on 03/21/2005 10:58:50 AM PST by El_Doctor ( Éireann go Brách)
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To: Gene Vidocq
Hmmm... a major story.

Not good news - at all. Praying the good guys can track down the perps this time.



4 posted on 03/21/2005 11:00:33 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Gene Vidocq
So there was real Anthrax in the latest mail order Anthrax scare?



5 posted on 03/21/2005 11:00:38 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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6 posted on 03/21/2005 11:00:42 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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7 posted on 03/21/2005 11:01:47 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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I've had all my Anthrax shots and I still find the idea of biological warfare pretty scary. But that's just me.



8 posted on 03/21/2005 11:04:17 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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9 posted on 03/21/2005 11:04:32 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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This is a big story. the anthrax killer is back.



10 posted on 03/21/2005 11:04:52 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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Now, has anyone been keeping any eye on that scientist guy, Stephen Hatfill?



11 posted on 03/21/2005 11:05:43 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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12 posted on 03/21/2005 11:05:47 AM PST by maestro
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What???
We REALLy need to work on our response to Bio
Terrorism...this sends a message to AQ look! were
confused and Discombobulated!

They are!!! See what the article says:

The Pentagon is working to gather more than 8,000 pieces of mail that moved through its detached facility between March 10 and March 14.

Government at work. Don't you feel safer?

13 posted on 03/21/2005 11:06:02 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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14 posted on 03/21/2005 11:08:27 AM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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*They're baaaack!*

15 posted on 03/21/2005 11:10:39 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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16 posted on 03/21/2005 11:10:50 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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CBI is a sub-contractor that conducts routine testing. The identity of the prime contractor who received the results is unclear.
So, it's not just one private contractor, but through two before the tests get to the proper federal authorities? Talk about Terror-budget pork barrel abuse!

"Same strain"

I suppose the prudent question is, "Was it the same strain you used to test the equipment?"

The contractor is in mass CYA mode.


17 posted on 03/21/2005 11:13:59 AM PST by Shermy
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"This is a big story. the anthrax killer is back."

Doubt it. Reads like spin from the contractor alleged to have been sloppy.



18 posted on 03/21/2005 11:15:14 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Gene Vidocq
Homeland Security seems much more interested in political correctness and shaking down granny than in boosting its ability to respond to real threats.



19 posted on 03/21/2005 11:21:33 AM PST by RBroadfoot
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"This is a big story. the anthrax killer is back."

"Doubt it."

Really?



20 posted on 03/21/2005 11:22:07 AM PST by Inkognitow
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"Homeland Security seems much more interested in political correctness and shaking down granny than in boosting its ability to respond to real threats."

Homeland Security may be out of the anthrax loop and the FBI is playing it's cards very close to the chest.



21 posted on 03/21/2005 11:25:40 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Not sure what you mean. Because they've identified the same strain of anthrax that killed a handful of people in 2001 passed through three separate government facilities and an air force base, it means the contractor was sloppy?




22 posted on 03/21/2005 11:28:09 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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"Really?"

Didn't the earlier stories say the problem was caused by the very same contractor who's being interviewed in this article, yet doesn't directly rebut?



23 posted on 03/21/2005 11:29:14 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Gene Vidocq
Is this the same strain as the "dark angel" or "fallen angel"...whoever that one was? I think he claimed to be a truck driver and he sent anthrax to the airport post office in Greenville SC

24 posted on 03/21/2005 11:29:27 AM PST by 4everontheRight ( "I'm learning to dread one day at a time" --- Charlie Brown)
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Ya gotta love anthrax threads. Resurrection, multiple personality disorder, the works.



25 posted on 03/21/2005 11:30:20 AM PST by dighton
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"Didn't the earlier stories say the problem was caused by the very same contractor who's being interviewed in this article, yet doesn't directly rebut?"


One must look at the BIG picture, Shermy.



26 posted on 03/21/2005 11:31:13 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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"s this the same strain as the "dark angel" or "fallen angel"...whoever that one was? I think he claimed to be a truck driver and he sent anthrax to the airport post office in Greenville SC"


You're thinking RICIN. This also has not been solved.



27 posted on 03/21/2005 11:33:12 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45125-2005Mar17.html?nav=rss_nation/nationalsecurity

"The stockpile question arose as the Pentagon postponed the reopening of its Remote Delivery Facility until today. The center was closed Monday after a laboratory in Richmond, Consolidated Biotechnologies Inc., confirmed a positive anthrax result from a sensor filter, a finding since discredited by senior military officials as a likely result of lab contamination."

Now the current article has the accused contractor invoking the "same strain" verbiage to elicit excitement. Simple question: is that the strain they calibrate with? Since he soen't say anything, the answer is probably "yes."

I think it's a bureaucracy blunder, nothing to do with 2001. Could be proven wrong, naturally.



28 posted on 03/21/2005 11:34:41 AM PST by Shermy
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Dang! You're right! Man! I'm getting my terrorism all mixed up!!



29 posted on 03/21/2005 11:35:15 AM PST by 4everontheRight ( "I'm learning to dread one day at a time" --- Charlie Brown)
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You forgot numerological obsession with calendar dates in history.

;-)



30 posted on 03/21/2005 11:35:47 AM PST by Shermy
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Hey, this is just like that other thing! Boy, those terrorists are mighty crafty, I tell ya...



31 posted on 03/21/2005 11:36:55 AM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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#28 was for you.

I'll add the reporter might not be up on all the details. I thought the most shocking thing was that the tests went through not one but two private contractors until the Feds were notified. ON the face that doesn't sound good to me.



32 posted on 03/21/2005 11:38:38 AM PST by Shermy
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax...


(I just couldn't resist. Not with
an opening line like that!-YD)


33 posted on 03/21/2005 11:44:18 AM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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34 posted on 03/21/2005 11:47:06 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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I'm not sure this is spin. I don't think the CEO of this company would make such a strong statement unless he was 100% certain that his facility did not contaminate the sample. He has too much to lose. Perhaps his facility doesn't even hold Ames - if that's the case then it's a certainty his facility did not contaminate the sample.



35 posted on 03/21/2005 11:50:29 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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.....I'll add the reporter might not be up on all the details. I thought the most shocking thing was that the tests went through not one but two private contractors until the Feds were notified. ON the face that doesn't sound good to me.
?.......the Islamic-French Labs have got to test it FIRST?

:-(


36 posted on 03/21/2005 11:51:00 AM PST by maestro
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Will someone please just hang the Anthrax guy and everyone he cares about!

37 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:02 AM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart)
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"Dang! You're right! Man! I'm getting my terrorism all mixed up!!"

Perhaps not. Different attack substances do not necessarily rule out a single "terrorist".



38 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:42 AM PST by Inkognitow
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LOL!:)



39 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:47 AM PST by Inkognitow
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I'm confused.



40 posted on 03/21/2005 12:01:33 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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"I'll add the reporter might not be up on all the details."

Divis is not exactly a cub reporter.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dee+Ann+Divis&btnG=Google+Search



41 posted on 03/21/2005 12:02:35 PM PST by Inkognitow
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"I'm not sure this is spin."

Concur.



42 posted on 03/21/2005 12:04:27 PM PST by Inkognitow
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To: TrebleRebel
Hmm...I caught myself in an assumption the govt. is right...ponds...turtle traps...

I'll keep an open mind on this one.



43 posted on 03/21/2005 12:04:54 PM PST by Shermy
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"Perhaps his facility doesn't even hold Ames"

If it doesn't...then that's big news.



44 posted on 03/21/2005 12:07:16 PM PST by Shermy
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I thought this was a double negative. We really do need a reliable blogger over at the Pentagon.



45 posted on 03/21/2005 12:08:12 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Shermy
"The contractor is in mass CYA mode."


There were four "automated alerts" at four different mail facilities. Those 4 alerts were direct from sensors, not from contractor tests (which came later).

Those 4 alerts followed the path of the Pentagon's mail system (i.e. what one would expect from cross-contamination of mail as it passed through post offices).

Your point about contractor contamination only comes into play with the sample swabs that were taken and handled later, long *after* the initial automated alerts had been sounded.

What triggered the automated sensors, however, was *clearly* something in the mail, as the four different sensors at 4 different sites were triggered in order with the mail flow.


46 posted on 03/21/2005 12:10:39 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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This is some HEAVY SH#*!



47 posted on 03/21/2005 12:11:55 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Interesting. I'll keep an open mind.



48 posted on 03/21/2005 12:13:51 PM PST by Shermy
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Yup, that's what we really need to know. Hope someone will ask him soon.
This is just speculation, but perhaps that's the reason this CEO felt confident enough to make the rather bold statement he made today. When he found out it was Ames, he knew he had to be off the hook. Of course, I could be wrong.



49 posted on 03/21/2005 12:14:14 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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"Government at work. Don't you feel safer?"
Oh the tradegy/commedy mixed with a monstrous helping of terrible irony!!!

WARNING: GOVERNMENT MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!
AVOID INHALING LIKE EX-POTUS CLINTON DID!!!


50 posted on 03/21/2005 12:17:10 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax: same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.
UPI ^ | March 21, 2005 | Dee Ann Divis


Posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by Gene Vidocq


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51 posted on 03/21/2005 12:23:33 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Yeah, I think they E-mailed some of that stuff to me, too.



52 posted on 03/21/2005 12:28:59 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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I wouldn't mind seeing this somewhere other than the World Peace Herald. It's certainly possible that these guys really scrwed up and are now trying to cover their rear ends. However, the official denials have rung strange to me right from the get-go. They came out WAY too quickly after the release of positive confirmation. Furthermore, two bio-alarms going off in sepearate but nearby locations within hours of each other is just too much for me to swallow.
I believe that the whole issue of anthrax has our government so terrified that they'll go to almost any extreme to keep the truth from getting out to the public.


53 posted on 03/21/2005 12:30:41 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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I believe that the whole issue of anthrax has our government so terrified that they'll go to almost any extreme to keep the truth from getting out to the public.

Given Tommy Thompson's famous "It's an isolated incident, he drank from a stream" statement after the first non-animal skin worker inhalational anthrax infection in US history, it's almost a certainty the government will not be truthful when the next attack begins.

54 posted on 03/21/2005 12:35:41 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
I remember gagging on that one.

My current vote is for a localized probe.



55 posted on 03/21/2005 12:38:03 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: jpl
UPI and Washinton Times are also running this story. I assume it will be everywhere in a few hours.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20050321-073641-8576r



56 posted on 03/21/2005 12:39:42 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: El_Doctor
"I don't fear al-Qaeda..I fear Al Redneck" - Chris Rock. Domestic source for this bio-terrorisim?



57 posted on 03/21/2005 12:49:13 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Ping.



58 posted on 03/21/2005 12:52:16 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Allan
Ping.



59 posted on 03/21/2005 1:00:55 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Shermy
did they find the envelopes?



60 posted on 03/21/2005 1:02:58 PM PST by oceanview
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To: El_Doctor
I got the joke wrong - Chris Rock's joke goes as follows - 'I don't fear al-Qaeda - I fear Al Cracker!'



61 posted on 03/21/2005 1:06:02 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Help me, I'm really confused. First I heard that the Pentagon mail facility tested positive for anthrax. Then, I heard it was a false alarm. Now, they're saying the place DID have anthrax???



62 posted on 03/21/2005 1:10:51 PM PST by rudy45
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To: TrebleRebel
UPI and Washinton Times are also running this story.
The orginal story was a UPI story in the first place. World Peace Herald, whatever the heck that is, was just posting/publishing a story provided to them by UPI.


63 posted on 03/21/2005 1:22:09 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: jpl
"I wouldn't mind seeing this somewhere other than the World Peace Herald."


I understand what you're saying but concider the reporter's credentials rather that the medium.(I happen to know Dee Ann - my wife worked with her - and she's one sharp cookie with a strong science background).).

Knight Science Journalism Fellowship at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

U.S. Department of Justice analyst of criminal cases.


http://about.upi.com/journalists/dee_ann_divis.jlst

UPI JournalistsDee Ann Divis
UPI Senior Science and Technology Editor
Dee Ann Divis, senior science and technology editor, currently focuses on covering bioterrorism. Divis also covers the connection between policy and technology.

During the 2003-2004 academic year, Divis was on leave from UPI while she participated in the Knight Science Journalism Fellowship at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The fellowship is awarded to 10 science journalists from around the world who specialize in science, medicine, technology or the environment.

Between 2000 and 2003, Divis directed UPI's world-class coverage of science and technology, reporting and explaining developments that expand the frontiers of human knowledge and the implications of those developments.

Divis knows the scientific, technological and political communities from the inside, and from the perspective of a journalist. After graduating with honors from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Divis managed the Washington operations for a company developing commercial launches of satellites and other payloads. She also worked as a government contractor and independent analyst, providing market research on space commerce issues, and advised start-up aerospace companies on their business plans.

Divis served as an analyst under contract with the Department of Justice and has worked with the Environmental Protection Agency on the reorganization of the Superfund computer structure and the EPA's Toxic Release Inventory. She also was a manager for a company providing analysis in support of technology litigation.

She has worked as Washington editor of GPS World Magazine and editor for the Space section of Aviation Now, the Web site for Aviation Week magazine. She also worked as a contractor providing business coverage for Aerospace Daily.



64 posted on 03/21/2005 1:26:57 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Help me, I'm really confused. First I heard that the Pentagon mail facility tested positive for anthrax. Then, I heard it was a false alarm. Now, they're saying the place DID have anthrax???
My take on the situation is this: the testing laboratory released to the press information that additional follow-on testing confirmed a positive result of anthrax. Within about thirty minutes or so, someone within the Department of Defense held a press conference and announced that everything was negative for anthrax and that the "confusion" was due to a screwup by the lab. Now, it looks like the lab is stating that the positive test was accurate and that there was no screwup.


65 posted on 03/21/2005 1:30:35 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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Help me, I'm really confused. First I heard that the Pentagon mail facility tested positive for anthrax. Then, I heard it was a false alarm. Now, they're saying the place DID have anthrax???
Certainly reminds me of the line from the old Donovan tune:

"First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is."

Coincidently another line in the same song is: "The lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it is." Well, if the lock on the garden gate is a euphanism for Homeland Security, then a snail is looking like Speedy Gonzalez compared to the bumbling response to this current event!

[There is a Mountain lyrics]


66 posted on 03/21/2005 1:38:44 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt. (May they perish who have expressed our bright ideas before us)
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You just dexcribed the break down of events perfectly.



67 posted on 03/21/2005 1:44:36 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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The announcement that it was Ames coinciding with the firm denial of the CEO that his facility was responsible almost suggests that he knows it couldn't have been his facility (because he doesn't have Ames).

One of 2 scenariois are possible, and both are interesting.

(1) The test facility DID NOT have Ames. In this case it's a huge story, since it was not due to contamination. So where did it come from?

(2) The test facility DID have Ames. In this case, it's also interesting. It then has to be asked - just how many private testing labs now have Ames in-house? The very strain that was used for the 2001 attacks and the one that is supposedly closely-guarded. Obviously from a security point of view, the more people who hold Ames, the easier it is likely to fall in to the wrong hands. Surely hundreds of test labs all over the country can't all have adequate security?



68 posted on 03/21/2005 1:48:20 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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69 posted on 03/21/2005 1:52:44 PM PST by Allan
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"Perhaps his facility doesn't even hold Ames"
If it doesn't...then that's big news.

Correct!!!???

Sounds to me there may be a third, forth, or mores 'outside/inside'....'oversight' parties really creating 'fog'.

If true,....these folks are making 'heavy-smoke' to get more time to 'cover' their 'covers'.

IMO

If this is 100% false,....then,.....we have serious problems.

IMO


70 posted on 03/21/2005 1:52:59 PM PST by maestro
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Everyone who wants to understand needs to read Cole's book on anthrax.

There are no bacteria that come with little signs around their necks telling what they are. So there are many tests that must be performed, in a sequence for isolation purposes.


There are several different tests trying to be run here and the public is trying to compare the results, without knowing what the test is FOR...

The sensors (as far as I know) are set off by PCR which will ring the alarm is they pick up a snippet of DNA. Doesn't mean that the anthrax is alive. In order for an infection to occur, it must be alive....viable...capable of reproduction.

I am thinking that the postal facility that they just opened after being closed for 3 1/2 years, had some dead pieces of anthrax spore coats is the corners of the mail tubs that they were recycled. This COULD SET OFF the sensors on the alarms. It's good to have these things so sensitive to just the dust left behind. Because you could have an anthrax perp who didn't know how to make it and ended up with dust.

I for one am not concerned that this is another attack. We have no envelope and no letter and no real trail. It is the nature of the beast.

71 posted on 03/21/2005 1:53:29 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Sounds like yet another (of hundreds of thousands) piece of mail transportation equipment (MTE) with residual contamination from the original attack was put into service.
Remember, Postal Management made a decision to NOT destroy every piece of MTE that could have been contaminated, so the stuff is still out there.

Given the way the letter and flat trays are constructed (a corrugated plastic material) they can work pretty much the same as an aerosol, both sucking in bacterial spores and blowing them out at another location when the mail is removed for working.


72 posted on 03/21/2005 1:58:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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Your reference to Tommy Thompson's statement is echoed in this article.

The govt. has never let the full, whole truth and nothing but the truth, scenario of what really happened out to the public. So we have a lot of unanswered questions.

Did you find that little reference that the information from the subcontractor was sent, but the "contractor" sat on it? We need the truth.




73 posted on 03/21/2005 1:58:54 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: 4everontheRight
You are thinking of an attack with an entirely different material, ricin. Anthrax has been used ONE TIME ONLY.



74 posted on 03/21/2005 2:01:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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Let's combine threads:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366305/posts



75 posted on 03/21/2005 2:01:21 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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It's probably the same attack as in 2001, but the Postal Service is just getting around to delivering the letters.



76 posted on 03/21/2005 2:06:05 PM PST by atomicweeder
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I have read this article three times and am still confused. Forgive my ignorance. Can someone please tell me what's going on here?



77 posted on 03/21/2005 2:11:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Is that true.....has their been real mail sitting in Hamilton for 3 1/2 years not delivered???????

That would explain it.




78 posted on 03/21/2005 2:18:15 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Until there is evidence to the contrary
I think your hypothesis is a strong possibility
indeed
the most likely possibility



79 posted on 03/21/2005 2:25:00 PM PST by Allan
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The facilities samples were 1st declared contaminated for safety measures,....then,....said to be 'clear',....now again,....MUCH LATER,....the samples are claimed to be from the 'same' batch as in 2001.
Personnel failure?

.... in-house machine detection failure?

...CYA lab defensive claim against future 'claims' against their true/false 'reports'?

....many 'other' lab reports?

Bottom Line: Too many 'cooks' in the kitchen!

Gen. Haag,.....Who's in Charge Here?

Everybody else!!

NOT ME....

(The 'Not-me' Security Company.)

.....Time and Control Breakdown costs lives....and if a weakness exists,....it could very well be repeatable at will.

THAT is a Weapons DELIVERY system of the highest order!

IMO


80 posted on 03/21/2005 2:39:00 PM PST by maestro
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Not just a strong possibility ~ the stuff is out there from the first attack because, ta-da, top levels of USPS management decided to NOT DESTROY all potentially contaminated equipment.



81 posted on 03/21/2005 2:46:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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Very interesting.......
The 'FBI' etc. will not appreciate that!


82 posted on 03/21/2005 2:48:02 PM PST by maestro
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The FBI has no comprehension of how the USPS works.



83 posted on 03/21/2005 2:49:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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Ames is not closely guarded. It is the world standard. Everybody has some.



84 posted on 03/21/2005 2:51:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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"You forgot numerological obsession with calendar dates in history."
Just so it doesn't add up to 19.


85 posted on 03/21/2005 2:52:00 PM PST by blam
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:-(
Oh, well.....your #81 post could explain it all.


86 posted on 03/21/2005 2:52:06 PM PST by maestro
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Every piece of equipment in the Brentwood facility (the one just opened by USPS) was DESTROYED. Nothing in there has been put into use. It's gone.
This contamination comes from other equipment contaminated back in 2001! For a variety of reasons, one of which was a downturn in mail volume, particularly direct mail advertising, much mail transportation equipment (letter and flat trays, what you are calling "tubs", a nonpostal term if I ever saw one) has been idle for several years.

The relatively recent recovery in direct mail advertising is pressing this stored equipment into service.


87 posted on 03/21/2005 2:55:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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Is there a trail for each one of these "letter trays". In other words can they tell where they have been?

88 posted on 03/21/2005 2:57:11 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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No, not mail sitting in Hamilton. If you recall it wasn't even known that an attack had happened for several weeks AFTER it had happened.
In the interim hundreds of thousands of flat and letter trays passed through hundreds of postal facilities. Some of them were contaminated by the handful of letters in the attack. Some of them were contaminated secondarily by mail processing equipment that had handled those letters.

Almost immediately we had a really serious recession. At the same time direct mail advertising volumes fell and less equipment was needed to move the mail. That equipment went into storage.

The economy has improved. Advertising is up. The equipment is coming out of storage.

The only thing that's changed in 3 years is that anthrax detection equipment has been installed in many postal facilities. The older contamination from this stored equipment is now setting off the alarms.


89 posted on 03/21/2005 2:59:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: blam
Or "19". Remember, you read Arabic left to right (although they use the modern, universal standard for numbers).



90 posted on 03/21/2005 3:01:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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"This contamination comes from other equipment contaminated back in 2001! ... The relatively recent recovery in direct mail advertising is pressing this stored equipment into service."


A valid theory. Possible. Determinable. Lets trace it and see.


91 posted on 03/21/2005 3:01:50 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Just for the record, here's what a guy called Winkenwerder had to say last week about the presumptive positive sample from CBI. He stated it later turned out to be negative. That's the complete opposite of what the UPI article today is reporting. The UPI article states that not only did it turn out to be positive, but that no fewer than 3 different labs got a positive result (inclusive of CBI).


http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=50323
"We had some preliminary results that were positive but subsequent additional tests have determined that the sample that we had was in fact negative," said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.



92 posted on 03/21/2005 3:02:42 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: Battle Axe
Hunh? The USPS is a truly large operation with HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of pieces of mail handled since the anthrax attack.
It has tens of millions of pieces of equipment to move this load.

You want to send me into paroxysms of laughter ~ just propose in my presence that UPS or FED-EX could "do the job better".

Back to the point, it's not likely 100% of the equipment can be tracked, but odds are that somebody at USPS is working on that!


93 posted on 03/21/2005 3:04:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TrebleRebel
I'm guessing this DOD guy wasn't in that job in 2001. He probably doesn't know anything about mail either.



94 posted on 03/21/2005 3:05:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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Yes, sounds like a valid theory.

Is all the mail irradiated now? Or just the stuff going around Wash. DC??

95 posted on 03/21/2005 3:14:28 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
I think what mail is irradiated is a tad confidential. On the other hand, they are installing the anthrax (and other hazmat) detection equipment nationwide.



96 posted on 03/21/2005 3:30:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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EXCELENT lol

97 posted on 03/21/2005 3:39:37 PM PST by The Turbanator
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To: AFPhys
"good guys can track down the perps this time."; Do you mean Homeland Security? Certainly not the FBI, they aren't sure who they are looking for from the first incident and couldn't find a convenient scapegoat, although they tried.

98 posted on 03/21/2005 4:55:42 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-
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To: Gene Vidocq
So when do we start draining fish ponds?



99 posted on 03/21/2005 5:30:04 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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Off topic: Laurie Dhue on Fox just said Samantha Runyon was held "2 or 3 days" in a trailer near her home before being killed. Has anyone else heard that? Surely she meant "hours." Dear Lord.

100 posted on 03/21/2005 5:37:40 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax: same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.
UPI ^ | March 21, 2005 | Dee Ann Divis


Posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by Gene Vidocq


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To: Gene Vidocq
The head of the company that was accused of contaminating the samples sent from those facilities...
Huh?!


101 posted on 03/21/2005 5:39:39 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Gene Vidocq
Not reading the thread, I'll bet the FBI knew the where abouts of Mr. Hatfield at the time of attack. Methinks the Flanagan, Branagan and Iskovich team need a new suspect.
5.56mm


102 posted on 03/21/2005 5:42:36 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-
I have a good friend who is a senior official in FBI. After the first anthrax attacks, he told me: "we'll never catch that guy. It took us years to catch the Unabomber and he was active the entire time. And we didn't even catch him. His brother turned him in!"



103 posted on 03/21/2005 5:52:31 PM PST by atomicweeder
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To: Gene Vidocq
So it was real, not real, real, not real and now real?



104 posted on 03/21/2005 6:04:31 PM PST by cookcounty (Michael Schiavo is living in a PBS ----a Persistant Bigamous State.)
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To: Nita Nupress
"So when do we start draining fish ponds?"





105 posted on 03/21/2005 6:46:03 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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To: atomicweeder
I have a good friend who is a senior official in FBI. After the first anthrax attacks, he told me: "we'll never catch that guy. It took us years to catch the Unabomber and he was active the entire time. And we didn't even catch him. His brother turned him in!"
Quite true, but in the Unabomber days at least the FBI wasn't yet so infested with political correctness that they went after innocent guys on the word of some nutty ultra left-wing college professor with a grudge. The Clinton administration really turned the FBI to crap, along with pretty much everything else it touched.

Furthermore, even though their odds of catching the perp were always long at best, the FBI seriously bungled this case right from the beginning by proceeding under the false assumption that the anthrax had to have been stolen from Ft. Detrick, when in actuality nothing could be further from the truth.


106 posted on 03/21/2005 6:50:40 PM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: 4everontheRight
That was ricin, not anthrax, as I understand it.



107 posted on 03/21/2005 7:29:59 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Gene Vidocq
The 'fallen angel' character used the same wording on a warning he wrote as the ricin perp up in the northwest used on his jar labels.



108 posted on 03/21/2005 7:35:14 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Good Question. I am wondering if they have him under tight surveillance, does this mean that there is a 'real' terrorist threat out there and was this guy just a scape goat like the kid in the Atlanta Olympics bombing?



109 posted on 03/21/2005 8:14:12 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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It's not much to go on but here's the curious coincidental phrase. (Were it me writing a warning label I'd write "RICIN" with a skull and crossbones - or at the most, add on the word "poison. Or I'd write "RICIN - POISONOUS," or "Ricin : poisonous/toxic." I just think that though it's certainly possible, it is a bit odd if it was two different people who came up with the same three word phrase for the same substance.)

To: Fitzcarraldo; prisoner6
From Fitzcarraldo's article: [on Seattle Alberg case]
Also found were clear jars with black lids containing material that is consistent with processed castor seeds. The jars were labeled "caution ricin poison."
Notice the same exact English usage in the individual who labeled the mailed ricin :

OCTOBER 15 + NOVEMBER 6, 2003 : (MAIL FACILITIES SERVING GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG AIRPORT & THE WHITE HOUSE DISCOVER LETTERS SIGNED "FALLEN ANGEL" CONTAINING THE TOXIN RICIN) .a mysterious "Fallen Angel" who sent two threatening letters containing ricin. ...typewritten letters addressed to the White House and Transportation Department warned that more ricin would be used unless new federal trucking regulations were scrapped. The change in 60-year-old rules governing how often truck drivers must rest [will go into] effect January 4.[2004] ...letters signed "Fallen Angel." Those letters were discovered in mail facilities that serve the Greenville-Spartanburg International Airport in South Carolina and the White House. They were found October 15 and November 6, respectively, though the existence of the White House letter was not disclosed by the Bush administration until Tuesday [Feb 3, 2004].
The letters, described as nearly identical, claimed that the author owned a tanker truck fleet company and demanded that hours of service rules for drivers remain unchanged, according to the FBI. The FBI said the South Carolina letter was contained in an envelope with a typewritten warning "Caution RICIN POISON."
The letter included claims that the author could make much more ricin and would "start dumping" if the new regulations weren't abolished. The envelope contained no delivery address and no postmark.
No one has fallen ill as a result of any of the letters. Ricin is a highly toxic substance that is relatively easy to make from castor beans. There is no known antidote but ricin is considered a less effective weapon for causing mass casualties than anthrax, which was mailed to Senate offices in late 2001, because it is more difficult to make airborne and requires inhalation of large quantities to be fatal. - "'Fallen Angel' letters focus of ricin probeAuthor threatens to make ricin and 'start dumping' it," CNN ,Thursday, February 5, 2004
57 posted on 04/13/2004 12:38:58 AM PDT by piasa



110 posted on 03/21/2005 8:48:08 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: SmithL
"Yeah, I think they E-mailed some of that stuff to me, too."


According to this site:

"It's not a great leap from mailing bugs in snail-mail to mailing bugs in e-mail."

-Protection Technologist

http://theanthraxletters.150m.com/



111 posted on 03/21/2005 9:44:01 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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To: piasa
"It's not much to go on but here's the curious coincidental phrase. (Were it me writing a warning label I'd write "RICIN" with a skull and crossbones - or at the most, add on the word "poison. Or I'd write "RICIN - POISONOUS," or "Ricin : poisonous/toxic." I just think that though it's certainly possible, it is a bit odd if it was two different people who came up with the same three word phrase for the same substance.)"

Along those lines, someone posted this similarity on a thread a while back:


http://members.tripod.com/the_ricin_solution/id7.html



112 posted on 03/21/2005 9:51:48 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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To: RBroadfoot
Homeland Security seems much more interested in political correctness and shaking down granny than in boosting its ability to respond to real threats.
Homeland security is acting like they do not believe that the threat is real in general. They shake down granny in public, but do little on the borders. One of these days the Islamics are going to suprise them and do something. Homeland "Security" is a 27 legged pork barrel with shredded constitution for fodder.


113 posted on 03/21/2005 9:55:11 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Help me, I'm really confused. First I heard that the Pentagon mail facility tested positive for anthrax. Then, I heard it was a false alarm. Now, they're saying the place DID have anthrax???
Of course you're confused by this. Why wouldn't anybody who has attempted to follow this story not be confused? With my tinfoil hat firmly in place, dare I say "cover-up"?


114 posted on 03/21/2005 11:04:52 PM PST by rdl6989
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I'm confused by this story. I thought we had learned it had been a case of a "false positive" and now we're being told instead the anthrax is the same anthrax as the prior cases???
Am I missing something?


115 posted on 03/22/2005 12:53:39 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: TrebleRebel
...it's almost a certainty the government will not be truthful when the next attack begins.
Why should we believe they're being truthful even before the next attack?

I can't say I'm overjoyed to see anthrax back in the news.


116 posted on 03/22/2005 12:58:49 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
does this mean that there is a 'real' terrorist threat out there and was this guy just a scape goat like the kid in the Atlanta Olympics bombing?
KID?? You mean Richard Jewell?




117 posted on 03/22/2005 1:02:39 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: rdl6989; rudy45
Ok. Good. I thought I was the only one CONFUSED by this latest Pentagon mail facility anthrax story. It's difficult to keep up with the lies, misleading statements and admissions.



118 posted on 03/22/2005 1:04:22 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Gene Vidocq
It is not what genetic strain it is that is interesting, it is how it was weaponized. But one would not expect a reporter taking down a 6 figure salary to know that...



119 posted on 03/22/2005 2:42:50 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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It is not what genetic strain it is that is interesting, it is how it was weaponized.
Yep!

THAT is the ongoing concern............(the real Problem)

Still scary.........'stuff'.....

Shalom


120 posted on 03/22/2005 3:17:22 AM PST by maestro
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Thanks for the info. What's the likelihood this is left over from the anthrax attacks of 2001?



121 posted on 03/22/2005 3:45:47 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Gene Vidocq
That's why I always wear "protection" when checking my E-mail.
; )



122 posted on 03/22/2005 5:47:25 AM PST by SmithL (Terrorists are in a quagmire)
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That is correct. After reading the thread though, I am inclined to agree that it may be dead spores on equipment contaminated in 2001, that USPS did not destroy........being a government agaency it is very easy to believe that level of incompetence.



123 posted on 03/22/2005 6:15:33 AM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast
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....What's the likelihood this is left over from the anthrax attacks of 2001?
Very possible,....yet...

may be a 'test' by 'unknown' parties checking our defense systems 'in-place'...

...enough said,...


124 posted on 03/22/2005 8:04:38 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro
Yeah. I got you. Thanks for clarifying a few things for me yesterday.

Freeper Henry Lee II has passed away and he used to help me with these things. He was 39 and leaves a wife and two young children.



125 posted on 03/22/2005 8:06:20 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
"What's the likelihood this is left over from the anthrax attacks of 2001?"
"Federal officials say an investigation is getting under way into the possibility that Commonwealth Biotechnologies was the inadvertent source of the anthrax, either through improper testing procedures or contamination within the lab. The Defense Department has labeled the initial tests a "false positive," but Harris said his firm stands by its work.

Harris said Commonwealth Biotechnologies has conducted a "rigorous internal investigation" that included a quality assurance audit of its lab and administrative processes to look at the issue of contamination. He refused to release any additional test results, but said,

"the ball's back over the net," meaning that investigators would take any further steps in the probe."


126 posted on 03/22/2005 9:36:47 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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To: Gene Vidocq
I don't understand that last sentence you highlighted. Sorry. My brain isn't functioning today.

The freeper who used to explain that stuff to me has passed away so I'm asking for help on this matter.



127 posted on 03/22/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Gene Vidocq
"Federal officials say an investigation is getting under way into the possibility that Commonwealth Biotechnologies was the inadvertent source of the anthrax, either through improper testing procedures or contamination within the lab. The Defense Department has labeled the initial tests a "false positive," but Harris said his firm stands by its work.
Harris said Commonwealth Biotechnologies has conducted a "rigorous internal investigation" that included a quality assurance audit of its lab and administrative processes to look at the issue of contamination. He refused to release any additional test results, but said, "the ball's back over the net," meaning that investigators would take any further steps in the probe."

After Washington Redskins football, the blame game is by far the next most popular game here in Washington D.C. This ball's going to go back and forth over the net a few more times before this one's all over.

An investigation is likely warranted, but nobody's going to ever be able to successfully convince me that Commonwealth Biotechnologies is somehow responsible for causing two significantly improved biosensors to go off in two separate but nearby DoD facilities at virtually the same time.


128 posted on 03/22/2005 10:06:58 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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I tend to side with this guy Harris. He actually has accountability (he doesn't work for the Federal Government who's employees appear to have zero accountability). If Harris is wrong in his statement he will be fired as CEO of his private company.

An example of a Federal Employee with zero accountability is the guy who made the statement below last week. He was assistant secretary of defense for health affairs last week, and likely he'll still be assistant secretary of defense for health affairs next week.




http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=50323
"We had some preliminary results that were positive but subsequent additional tests have determined that the sample that we had was in fact negative," said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.



129 posted on 03/22/2005 10:25:49 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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Treble, I agree with you fully, but in fairness, my suspicion is that this William Winkenweder was ordered to go out there and make this prepared statement by someone higher up the DoD chain of command. Maybe very high up the chain.



130 posted on 03/22/2005 10:30:41 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just so cynical about anything the government says about anthrax. I thinks it's safe to assume everything they say on the subject is a lie.



131 posted on 03/22/2005 10:36:04 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
I thinks it's safe to assume everything they say on the subject is a lie.
Most definitely. The truth really is the first casualty of war. The powers that be want us to go to the shopping mall and buy more worthless junk and not worry our pretty little heads, and I suppose in a strange way I can't really blame them.


132 posted on 03/22/2005 10:41:42 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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To: jpl
I have long wondered if some of these powder hoaxes could be related to the anthrax mailings. Any opinion?


79th LEGISLATURE
Roundup: Powder briefly closes senator's office; new caucus focuses on women's health
Tuesday, March 22, 2005

SECURITY

Powdery mail briefly closes senator's office


A senator's office was closed to visitors for about 30 minutes Monday after an aide opened a piece of mail containing a white powder.

Shortly before 10 a.m., Department of Public Safety troopers briefly quarantined seven aides to Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, in Ellis' office on the Capitol's third floor.

Ellis' spokesman, Jeremy Warren, said the quarantine ended once investigators determined that the substance was more likely baby powder or flour than something lethal.

"It was nothing," Warren said, adding that aides were back to work within an hour.

Ellis was in his Austin apartment at the time, Warren said.

"It's the worry in the back of every government staffer's mind that something like what happened (in Sen. Tom Daschle's office in Washington) could happen. We're just going to try to get through the day as best we can."

In October 2001, a Daschle aide opened mail with a trace of powder believed at the time to be anthrax, leading to a quarantine and antibiotic treatments for 50 staff members.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared/tx/legislature/stories/03/22legebriefs.html






Tuesday, 03/22/05
State briefs: Suspicious powder closes Roane courthouse


The Roane County Courthouse was closed yesterday after a suspicious powder was found in the main hallway, authorities said.

The Roane County hazardous materials team and the Tennessee National Guard's 45th Civil Support Team collected samples and determined the substance was not a biological agent.

The powder was discovered at 9:45 a.m. Local emergency officials, fearing it might be either anthrax or ricin, evacuated the courthouse and called the hazardous materials team and the Guard unit, which specializes in biological substance testing.




The courthouse was expected to reopen for business as usual this morning.

— Associated Press

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/05/03/67252614.shtml?Element_ID=67252614




133 posted on 03/22/2005 10:43:57 AM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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My opinion: most of these "white powder letters" are probably being mailed by assorted sickos who get their jollies from this sort of thing, and most likely not associated in any way with the real deal. But in the current climate of world affairs, I do think we have to treat all of these with the utmost seriousness and caution initially.



134 posted on 03/22/2005 10:55:21 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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Centers for Disease Control: Anthrax
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/anthrax_g.htm



135 posted on 03/22/2005 11:31:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, March 13, 2005.)
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Has anyone read this book?

Analyzing The Anthrax Attacks
by Edward G. Lake


"Best written review of a complex investigation, March 15, 2005"

Reviewer: Les Rayburn - See all my reviews

Highly recommended for anyone seeking to gain a better understanding of the complex investigation into the Anthrax attacks of 2001. Ed Lakes does a yeoman's job in compiling all that can be known about the investigation from hundreds of open source documents.

Mr. Lake also presents a working hypothesis of who the criminal(s) behind the attacks might be. His theory relies almost entirely on media reports and scientific discussion of the case, rather than the type of wild speculation others often resort to. You might disagree with his conclusions, but you'll find them difficult to debate without straying from the confines of what is really known about the case.

This book will also be fascinating to anyone who is interested in the new breed of journalism evolving from the web. Ed Lake is part blogger, part amateur sleuth, and part journalist.

His methods ofen involve combing through hundreds of open source articles about part of the case, looking for unique quotes, local angles, or other under-reported details. Then he combines those details to infer things that the mainstream media might have missed. It's a textbook for the new journalist, and should be required reading for researchers.

Also unique is that Mr. Lake gives permission for his critics to say, "I told you so", if his theory about the case is later proven wrong. You may disagree with his hypothesis, but it's hard to argue with his passion for the case.

An insightful book into one of the most important criminal cases in American History.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0976616300/qid=1111520159/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-2665099-7832700?v=glance&s=books




136 posted on 03/22/2005 11:36:58 AM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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To: jpl
" I do think we have to treat all of these with the utmost seriousness and caution initially."


I don't recall if this letter actually contained powder but it certainly seems related to the anthrax mailings, don't you think?


Thursday, Nov. 1, 2001 9:15 p.m. EST

Hannity, O'Reilly Hit by Anthrax Scare Letters

"In addition to the letters with an Indianapolis postmark, "one or two were from Trenton (N.J.)"


Fox News Channel personalities Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly were hit by threatening letters similar to those laden with anthrax sent to Sen. Tom Daschle and NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw, the New York Post reported Thursday.

"In my gut, I know it's the same person," Hannity told his nationally syndicated radio audience Thursday afternoon, explaining that he'd kept quiet about the suspicious letters because they were the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation.

The letters arrived before Sept. 11 but were addressed in the same kind of block letter handwriting used in Daschle and Brokaw missives. They apparently contained no anthrax.

Each line in the printed address clearly sloped downward to the right, the paper said. The envelopes bore a postmark from Indianapolis, where the Post Office discovered yesterday that some of its equipment is contaminated with anthrax.

Hannity said that he'd begun receiving the suspicious mail last winter and again in August.


"When I saw the Tom Daschle envelope and the Tom Brokaw envelope, I immediately was stunned," Hannity told listeners.

"It was the exact same handwriting that I had recognized. ... When I saw it I said, 'Oh my God, that's the same guy.'"

The "Hannity & Colmes" co-host revealed that in addition to the letters with an Indianapolis postmark,


"one or two were from Trenton (N.J.)," where traces of anthrax have also been reported.

Hannity said he hasn't gotten any more of the letters since the Sept. 11 attacks and hasn't been tested for anthrax exposure.



137 posted on 03/22/2005 11:55:26 AM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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To: Elmo Lincoln
Whereas this letter apparantly did contain powder:

THE LETTER


October 14, 2001

Fear Hits Newsroom in a Cloud of Powder

By JUDITH MILLER



It looked like baby powder. A cloud of hospital white, sweet- smelling powder rose from the letter dusting my face, sweater and hands. The heavier particles dropped to the floor, falling on my pants and shoes. An anthrax hoax, I thought.



My mind had been on something else. At my desk at The New York Times, I was already focused on what I thought was going to be the story of the day: the Bush administration's effort to seize the assets of more people and groups it said supported terrorism. It was after 9:15 a.m. on Friday, and Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill would soon begin discussing the list of 39 additions to his agency's roster of rogue financiers of terror. I was on the phone, talking to Jeff Gerth, my colleague and friend, about the article we were planning to write. As we spoke, I was picking my way through the pile of unopened mail beside my computer.



I had been getting many letters since Sept. 11. Some were complimentary; others were angry about the government's failure to protect Americans from terrorism. But most writers wanted to know how they could protect themselves and their families from bioterrorism, having seen two colleagues and me on television discussing our book, "Germs: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War."



Had I not been distracted, I probably would not have opened the stamped letter in the plain white envelope with no return address and a postmark from St. Petersburg, Fla. My sources and I had been discussing the threat of anthrax attacks ever since the death of a man this month who contracted an inhaled form of the disease at a newspaper office in Boca Raton, Fla. not far from where one of the hijackers of the Sept. 11 attacks had done his flight training.

But I wasn't thinking. I was rushed, absorbed in my work, and only half paying attention to the mail.



The powder got my full attention. I immediately asked the reporters and editors around me to call security. I didn't want to touch the phone.......



138 posted on 03/22/2005 11:59:49 AM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Where's Jack Bauer when you need him?



139 posted on 03/22/2005 12:47:23 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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" have a good friend who is a senior official in FBI. After the first anthrax attacks, he told me: "we'll never catch that guy."

Very likely true. Not a crime of passion and no behavior to profile.



140 posted on 03/22/2005 12:53:15 PM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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Eating a Sandwich




141 posted on 03/22/2005 12:58:45 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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"no behavior to profile"




BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENT

Based on the selection of Anthrax as the "weapon" of choice by this individual, the offender:

• is likely an adult male.

• if employed, is likely to be in a position requiring little contact with the public, or other employees. He may work in a laboratory. He is apparently comfortable working with an extremely hazardous material. He probably has a scientific background to some extent, or at least a strong interest in science.

• has likely taken appropriate protective steps to ensure his own safety, which may include the use of an Anthrax vaccination or antibiotics.

• has access to a source of Anthrax and possesses knowledge and expertise to refine it.

• possesses or has access to some laboratory equipment; i.e., microscope, glassware, centrifuge, etc.

• has exhibited an organized, rational thought process in furtherance of his criminal behavior.

• has a familiarity, direct or indirect, with the Trenton, NJ, metropolitan area; however, this does not necessarily mean he currently lives in the Trenton, NJ, area.. He is comfortable traveling in and around this locale.

• did not select victims randomly. He made an effort to identify the correct address, including zip code, of each victim and used sufficient postage to ensure proper delivery of the letters. The offender deliberately "selected" NBC News, the New York Post, and the office of Senator Tom Daschle as the targeted victims (and possibly AMI in Florida). These targets are probably very important to the offender. They may have been the focus of previous expressions of contempt which may have been communicated to others, or observed by others.

• is a non-confrontational person, at least in his public life. He lacks the personal skills necessary to confront others. He chooses to confront his problems "long distance" and not face-to-face. He may hold grudges for a long time, vowing that he will get even with "them" one day. There are probably other, earlier examples of this type of behavior. While these earlier incidents were not actual Anthrax mailings, he may have chosen to anonymously harass other individuals or entities that he perceived as having wronged him. He may also have chosen to utilize the mail on those occasions.

• prefers being by himself more often than not. If he is involved in a personal relationship it will likely be of a self serving nature.

Pre-Offense Behavior

• Following the events of September 11, 2001, this person may have become mission oriented in his desire to undertake these Anthrax mailings. He may have become more secretive and exhibited an unusual pattern of activity. Additionally, he may have displayed a passive disinterest in the events which otherwise captivated the Nation. He also may have started taking antibiotics unexpectedly.

Post-Offense Behavior

• He may have exhibited significant behavioral changes at various critical periods of time throughout the course of the Anthrax mailings and related media coverage. These may include the following;

1. Altered physical appearance.
2. Pronounced anxiety.
3. Atypical media interest.
4. Noticeable mood swings.
5. More withdrawn.
6. Unusual level of preoccupation.
7. Unusual absenteeism.
8. Altered sleeping and/or eating habits.

These post-offense behaviors would have been most noticeable during critical times, including but not limited to: the mailing of the letters (09/18/01 and 10/09/01), the death of first Anthrax victim, media reports of each anthrax incident, and especially the deaths and illnesses of non-targeted victims.



142 posted on 03/22/2005 1:12:28 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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To: Peach
"The freeper who used to explain that stuff to me has passed away so I'm asking for help on this matter."


I'm sorry for your loss.




If you haven't already seen this it might help explain the confusing reports:

"Two separate alarms at Defense Department facilities on the same mail route in a matter of days seem like a pretty big coincidence.

The questions should not be allowed to drop from the public view."



http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=87089


BioWar: Anthrax cross-contamination? (World)

World News, By DEE ANN DIVIS, Senior Science & Technology Editor WASHINGTON, March 16 : Buildings are reopening and officials at the Pentagon and in nearby Fairfax County, Va.,, with a stack of negative test results in their hands, are sending bioterrorism task forces home after responding to three positive anthrax test results this week.

On Wednesday, there appeared to be no remaining threat -- and it was not even clear if there ever was a threat.Despite the reduction in anxiety, however, there simply is not enough information yet to really say what happened.That's a problem.There needs to be more questions and more answers.

What has been confirmed is that swabs were taken of surfaces at a detached mail facility on the Pentagon grounds last Thursday.Those swabs were sent, as were swabs taken the next day, to a facility in Richmond for testing.The whole process is a routine precautionary procedure.

The Richmond facility reported the samples taken Thursday were positive for anthrax and test results on the Friday samples were negative.Those test results were not reported back to the Pentagon until Monday, however, and no explanation has yet been offered for the delay.A Pentagon official told United Press International it may have had something to do with the intervening weekend and was being investigated.

The original samples from Thursday on Monday were sent to the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Md.,, which confirmed the presence of anthrax -- marking a second positive test.

Also on Monday, once the first tests results were received, the Pentagon shut down the mail facility, tested employees for exposure, and gave them health advice with the option of taking a three-day regime of antibiotics.A few hours later on Monday, a separate alarm sounded at a mail facility in a complex of three buildings in Fairfax County.The buildings at 5109, 5111 and 5113 Leesburg Pike -- also known as Skyline 4, 5 and 6 -- are interconnected.Officials responding to the alert shut down all the buildings, holding everyone inside until well into the evening.They also shut down at least one nearby building -- not connected to the other three -- at 5107 Leesburg Pike.An interview with a Pentagon official Monday night supports subsequent news reports that Fairfax County initially was unaware of what had happened that day at the Pentagon.Fairfax County officials were again surprised Tuesday night when Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant defense secretary for health affairs, told reporters some 70 negative tests had cleared both the Pentagon and the Skyline facilities -- an assertion repeated to UPI by a DOD spokesman.A Fairfax County official Wednesday morning, however, disagreed that the Skyline facilities were cleared of the anthrax threat.

"The Skyline protocol is continuing and there are still tests pending at Skyline," said Merni Fitzgerald, spokeswoman for both Fairfax County and the National Capitol Region Joint Information Center.The clear lack of communication, especially after the fuss made in recent years over intergovernmental coordination, highlights an area that clearly needs work.Far more important, however, is getting to the bottom of the alerts themselves.It still is possible the alarms were caused by mail cross-contaminated with anthrax.

The two alerts at the Pentagon and at Skyline are separate -- connected perhaps, but apparently distinct.That difference is important because of a theory suggested to reporters by an unnamed federal official to explain the Pentagon alarm.The official said the actual cause of the alert at the Pentagon might be contamination of the sample at the Richmond lab.The contamination would have been from anthrax kept at the lab to verify testing.The alert that happened at Skyline, however, based on conversations with officials and news reports, does not appear to be based on samples that went through the Richmond lab.Instead, it was triggered Monday by an automated sensing system on location.If this is indeed accurate -- and officials have not responded to repeated questions on the matter -- then contamination in Richmond does not appear to be the likely cause of the Skyline alert.What then, triggered the alarm that got hundreds of people locked in their offices for hours? A clue might be found in the mail flow.There are at least two places where the mail could have become cross-contaminated.

A Pentagon spokesman told UPI Monday night that mail from the facility on the Pentagon grounds was sent to the Skyline facility.Mail from the Pentagon would be sent to Skyline as those buildings are leased by the Department of Defense and military personnel work there.A Washington official also told UPI that Defense Department mail was processed at a facility on V Street in Northeast Washington.Mail for both the Pentagon and Skyline could have passed through that same location.That post office was closed temporarily this week specifically because it handled Defense Department mail.Workers there also were given the option of taking antibiotics.There does not appear to be any health risk from the mail, which was irradiated before it reached either the Pentagon or Skyline buildings.Irradiation removes the health risk but not the anthrax.The sensors at Skyline and at the Pentagon would have altered on irradiated anthrax mail, officials said.

People shouldn't get too comfortable, however.Two separate alarms at Defense Department facilities on the same mail route in a matter of days seem like a pretty big coincidence.The questions should not be allowed to drop from the public view.




143 posted on 03/22/2005 4:45:03 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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I think that's a pretty huge coincidence This is not giving me ANY level of comfort.

Thanks for the ping and the article. I'm extremely interested in anthrax matters.



144 posted on 03/22/2005 4:47:16 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Va. To Lead Review of Anthrax Scares

Richmond Times-Dispatch Mar 22, 2005


Virginia will lead a regional review of what happened -- and what failed to happen -- during a false alarm last week over the possible presence of anthrax at two Defense Department mail centers in Northern Virginia.


The state will work with Maryland and the District of Columbia to examine the response by state and local governments to two "apparently unrelated events" that raised the specter of a reappearance of the deadly bacterium in federal mailrooms.

The review will occur at the same time as an investigation led by the Department of Homeland Security into federal agencies' response to and communication about the two events.

Once the two reviews are completed, the federal task force and the panel led by Virginia will "take the data and marry it into a complete picture," said George W. Foresman, special assistant for commonwealth preparedness to Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner. He expects that to happen in a matter of weeks.




145 posted on 03/22/2005 8:39:07 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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So we'll have to wait a few weeks to see what really happened; if we'll really hear the truth.



146 posted on 03/22/2005 9:29:46 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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147 posted on 03/22/2005 10:35:19 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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LOLOL! Clever.



148 posted on 03/22/2005 10:41:26 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1001:17499587061456718607::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,28435



149 posted on 03/23/2005 6:36:31 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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What the articles do NOT tell us is the type of technique and what the test was for.

What were they testing for?

And you just can't say ANTHRAX. You have to say were they testing for viable spores, DNA snippets off the spore coat, would a spore coat with no viable spore inside set off the automatic device??? Did they use surface swabs or were they testing the air. All this is very important before you start scaring the unwashed masses with alarms and sirens. I am glad this has boiled the cauldron over and we are talking about this again. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY. I agree that they should never have genotype 62 as the control for this initial screening situation. The chances of cross contamination in the lab is ever present. But I do think that this is a tiny bit of spore coat that is left over as Freeper Muawiyah has suggested. He knows a lot about the mail and also understands biology

150 posted on 03/23/2005 9:32:52 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax: same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.
UPI ^ | March 21, 2005 | Dee Ann Divis


Posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by Gene Vidocq


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1. Altered physical appearance.
2. Pronounced anxiety.
3. Atypical media interest.
4. Noticeable mood swings.
5. More withdrawn.
6. Unusual level of preoccupation.
7. Unusual absenteeism.
8. Altered sleeping and/or eating habits.


In other words, remarkably similar to a FReeper!



151 posted on 03/23/2005 9:41:24 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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March 23, 2005 12:28 PM US Eastern Timezone

Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc. Completes Internal Review of Procedures; Source of Positive Test Sample May Never be Known with Certainty


BIOWIRE2K

RICHMOND, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 23, 2005--In its role as subcontractor, Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc. (NASDAQ: CBTE) reported a positive test outcome for the presence of B. anthracis cultured from a swab taken from a pre-filter in the remote mail sorting facility located at the Pentagon on Thursday, March 10, 2005. CBI provided these results to its contracting officer in a timely way on Friday, March 11, and then reported the results of confirmatory testing done over the weekend of March 12 to its contracting officer on Monday, March 14. The positive nature of this particular test sample was subsequently confirmed in two independent federal laboratories. However, additional tests of swabs taken from the same filters have all been negative.



Since then, there has been public speculation as to the possibility that the source of the positive test outcome was laboratory contamination of the test sample which took place in CBI's laboratory. Because the March 10 swab sample tested positive, CBI conducted a rigorous internal audit of its administrative and laboratory processes to try and ascertain whether the test outcome was the result of inadvertent laboratory cross-contamination. This review process has now been completed.

Statement by Dr. Robert B. Harris, President and CEO of CBI

"In the past two years, CBI has tested more than 2,000 individual samples taken from the remote mail sorting facility at the Pentagon. In addition, since 2000 when its BSL3 lab came on-line, CBI has conducted laboratory experiments and analyses on more than 34,000 samples containing anthrax, DNA from anthrax, and other noxious biological agents. In all this time, there has never been one instance of a false-positive result due to laboratory contamination or due to any other factor. While contamination is always a possibility, CBI has in place and enforces rigorous operating procedures and quality assurance protocols focused on minimizing the likelihood of sample cross-contamination within its BSL3 laboratory. "

In the last week, CBI's quality assurance group has conducted an extensive review of our administrative and laboratory procedures and has re-examined our facility for the presence of viable environmental pathogens. None of these tests has come back positive. Among the findings of this review:

-- There is no evidence in the BSL3 for the presence of surface contamination or air-borne contamination.

-- At the time of the sample processing for the Pentagon, no other anthrax-related work was being done.

-- CBI has no on-going work which requires us to work with anything but the vegetative form of anthrax.

-- CBI has no on-going programs dealing with anthrax spores.

-- CBI's strict protocols which prohibit analyzing test samples in the presence of a positive control sample were strictly adhered to.

-- Video records of the BSL3 lab on the day in question show that the testing was carried out per the operative protocols, that the required decontamination procedures of the workspace prior to working with the sample were followed, and that no gross deviations in standard procedures occurred.

-- The internal review process also recommended minor modifications to the procedures and protocols used for analysis of these test samples. These changes, which have already been implemented, can only serve to improve CBI's overall process.

"While contamination cannot ever be absolutely ruled out, there is no evidence which directly links the positive test outcome to surface-to-sample, sample-to-sample, or air-to-sample contamination. Unfortunately, the source of the positive sample may never be known with certainty. From CBI's point of view, we did our jobs and faithfully reported the positive test result to our contractor. We have a legal and contractual obligation to report these results, regardless of the underlying reason a sample tests positive. In light of the outcome of our internal review, CBI stands behind the results it provided. After CBI reported its results to its contractor, CBI had no influence on any subsequent decisions. CBI will continue to fully cooperate with all appropriate authorities and will help in any way to further any on-going investigations."

About CBI

Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc. is a comprehensive provider of contract research and development services to the global biotechnology industry, academic institutions, government agencies, and pharmaceutical companies. It offers cutting-edge expertise and a complete array of the most current analytical and synthetic chemistries and biophysical analysis technologies, many of which are not available from other commercial sources. Services include DNA analyses, genomics, proteomics, biochemical analyses, mass spectral analysis, microbiological services, pathogen testing, food microbiology, peptide services, protein sequencing and drug discovery, and through its FIL division, CBI offers comprehensive genetic identity testing, including paternity, forensic, and CODIS analyses. CBI is accredited by the American Association of Blood Banks, CLIA, and operates fully accredited BSL-3 laboratory. For more information, visit CBI on the web at www.cbi-biotech.com and visit FIL at www.fairfaxidlab.com.



152 posted on 03/23/2005 10:36:58 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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"In other words, remarkably similar to a FReeper!"


"Smile when you say that."


153 posted on 03/23/2005 10:43:54 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Bump



154 posted on 03/23/2005 11:05:25 AM PST by Inkognitow
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To: Battle Axe; Peach
Intellibridge Analyst Team

"Let me try to summarise this report:

[1] CBI tested their 10 Mar samples, and on 11 Mar informed the prime contractor of the positive results that day. The latter told them to keep looking. Pentagon was informed on 14 Mar by the contractor.

[2] USAMRIID says that the samples directly from the mail facility were negative but the samples from the contractor were positive.

[3] The CEO/President of CBI says that their laboratory identified their positives as being "Ames", which he says "was not surprising ... because it is the most common strain."

What fun! Investigation will in due course determine where the "positive samples" originated, presumably withembarrassment in one quarter or another. And we now have the FBI analysing samples.

To claim that "Ames" is the most common strain must reflect that most US research laboratories now insist on having it, out of laboratory testosterone presumably.

Why a surveillance laboratory might have this culture on hand surpasses all understanding -- when there is
always the risk of cross-contamination. Apropos, in my lab we not only kept it very, very clean but never ever allowed Sterne anywhere near because of its ability to fly around -- it was the most common contaminant in archival collections sent to us.

If a laboratory must have a culture on hand for quality control, it would be logical to most people to use a most infrequent isolate, say "C," which has only been found once and has no close relatives. If a "positive" arose, a quick check would show whether it was an in-house contaminant.

To be very charitable, it is less than wise to use Ames, which already has a Post Office reputation for trouble.

-Joseph P. Dudley, Ph.D.

(Senior Analyst and Client Manager, is an ecologist focused on international development and environmental security issues, having served with the Peace Corps, the United Nations Development Program, World Bank, and U.S. Agency for International Development. He has more than eight years experience living and working in sub-Saharan Africa, with additional overseas experience in Asia and Latin America. His background includes work on military-related environmental issues with Headquarters U.S. Army and Headquarters U.S. Air Force. His recent scientific and technical publications include articles on agricultural bioweapons, environmental security, weapons-of-mass-destruction, and emerging diseases issues. He earned his BS from Colorado State University, MS from the University of Florida, and Ph.D. from the University of Alaska Fairbanks. His language skills include Fanti, Twi, and Spanish.)

http://www.intellibridge.com/StaffBiographies/#jdudley



155 posted on 03/23/2005 11:16:52 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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This is a little bit more information that I find interesting.

They tested the filters again, the ones that tested positive the first time (assuming PCR not viable test) and got a negative.

But the two independent labs got pos. also.

Similar in Kathy N. and Otillie's cases, although I think they did find a little something in the distribution center for Otillie.

It is the nature of the beast. It is not like a trail of ants that connects for all to see.

What do you think???

156 posted on 03/23/2005 11:19:11 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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How did they get enough to verify that it was genotype 62??? Did they get plasmid x102???? The 35-A's???



157 posted on 03/23/2005 11:22:06 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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How did they get enough to verify that it was genotype 62??? Did they get plasmid x102???? The 35-A's???



158 posted on 03/23/2005 11:22:30 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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"It is the nature of the beast. It is not like a trail of ants that connects for all to see.

What do you think???"


I think it is critical to determine if Commonwealth Biotechnologies was holding Ames, and if so - whose.

I'm working on it.



159 posted on 03/23/2005 11:41:49 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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I'm working on it. Advise asap. Still could be contaminated mail tubs, dust with some old spore coats, as Freeper Muawiyah says, a lot of stuff was put into storage just after 9-11 because it was no longer needed. The mail went down quickly. That is where some of the $$$$ reward supposedly will come from, a company that depended on the mail for business. If some of this was put into storage contaminated before anyone knew it was contaminated, in other words, in the system, then contaminated, then away from the prime location when decontamination took place, then, NOW, put back into circulation when we have all this high powered equipment sensors in place....well you can figure it out.

160 posted on 03/23/2005 1:59:51 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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I've had my claim in on this part of it for several years.
Odds are if you had a disgruntled white male scientist with a private bacteriological warfare lab out there, he would have struck again by now.

He didn't, therefore we must presume he doesn't exist.

Then, too, if there were a gang of A-rabs out there just busting a gut to attack us with anthrax that first time, they'd done it again except for 3 important facts:

1. They're all dead

2. Afghanistan is ours.

3. Iraq is ours.

The FBI wasted three years of everyone's time misdirecting the search. Somebody over there was working for Saddam, sure as heck, and got a lot of money for it, and we know that because that's the way Saddam worked!

Might be time to ask him.


161 posted on 03/23/2005 2:16:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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Most of that was over my head, Gene, but I appreciate your keeping me posted on this matter.



162 posted on 03/23/2005 3:08:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Good discussion. Everyone should jump in.

I agree that there never was a lone, white, male, etc etc. I think the FBI wanted to pin this on the next in line lone, white, male and dust off their hands and say...We got our man!!

They are protecting .....something.... They have the authority to dig anywhere and everywhere.

But the Arabs.....How long did the same batch wait to hit the WTC?? 93 to 01. A long time. Yeah they had hits in between, but everyone agrees that they are patient.

They are indeed busy in A. and I. (I cut off part of my finger and can't type all that stuff)

I want to find a Freeper that has an expertise in weaponry.

If two sides are fighting and one side appears to be losing, will that side have sequestered a secret weapon. One that they would only use as a last ditch, one that could endanger them as well as their opponent?

Didn't we do that with the bombs on Japan??

163 posted on 03/23/2005 3:29:57 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Testing was for viable spores. Testing was needed because the detectors did what they were supposed to do:sounded an alarm, and shut down the mail processing machinery.

Bottom line:There seems to have been a new anthrax attack:this one aimed at the Pentagon.



164 posted on 03/24/2005 4:06:03 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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This is the anthrax article that was listed in ProMed



165 posted on 03/24/2005 4:51:10 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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So was there a positive for a viable spore????

Was there any extra viable spores to C-14 to tell how long they had been made??? Still could be left overs from the first one if it is a Freeper Muawiyah says...could have been stored.

If they got genotype 62 as the unknown and the CBI lab did not have that..,..then we are getting somewhere, not far..

166 posted on 03/24/2005 6:26:04 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: muawiyah
Odds are if you had a disgruntled white male scientist with a private bacteriological warfare lab out there, he would have struck again by now.
The classic response to that from the Barbara Hatch Rosenbergs and other lefties out there would be to say that his goal was to either get us to go to war in the Middle East, to take seriously the bioterrorism threat and build better civil defense measures, or perhaps even both, and that there haven't been more letters because he accomplished those goals. The truly psychotic ultra-far lefties might even say that Steven Hatfill is really the perp and that there haven't been more letters because of the tight surveillance he's been under for the last three years.


167 posted on 03/24/2005 7:15:08 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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Content in Boca's AMI building set for anthrax decontamination

12,000 boxes will be cleaned

a memorial to Stevens will be built

By Luis F. Perez
Posted March 24 2005

Boca Raton -- After months of delays, the company that decontaminated the former American Media Inc. building of anthrax is poised to fumigate the contents, including the priceless photo archives that once belonged to the tabloid publisher.

The cleanup stalled amid a dispute about who owns irreplaceable photos taken by freelance photographers, including images of James Cagney, Cary Grant, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Princess Diana and Elvis in his casket.


The South Florida Sun-Sentinel, the first news organization allowed into the building that was the site of the country's first anthrax attack since it was quarantined, got an exclusive look Wednesday at the decontamination process going on in the basement.

About 305,500 pounds of files, photos, employees' personal belongings and mundane office items packed in about 12,000 boxes will be cleaned with chlorine dioxide gas. The Palm Beach County Health Department closed the building after AMI photo editor Bob Stevens died of inhalation anthrax on Oct 5, 2001.

The building's upper floors remain quarantined.

Cleanup firm Bio-ONE and David Rustine, who bought the building and its contents two years ago for $40,000, agreed to unpack the boxes and decontaminate the files in batches of 500,000 to 600,000 pieces of paper by exposing them to chlorine dioxide gas for three hours.

Company officials hope to start the decontamination Friday evening after workers leave nearby businesses on Broken Sound Boulevard and in the Arvida Park of Commerce. The same chemical and decontamination process is being used that killed anthrax inside the building in July.

Original plans called for the building's contents, which were boxed in April, to be destroyed and for Bio-ONE to move in by the end of 2004. Late last year, a dispute over whether Rustine owned the photos stopped Bio-ONE from incinerating the boxes.

"The building has been clean since July 12," said Karen Cavanagh, Bio-ONE's general counsel and chief operating officer. "It's been very frustrating for us."

AMI, publisher of The Star, National Enquirer and Weekly World News, didn't own all the archive's photos when it sold the building to Rustine. Free-lancers were told to contact the new owner regarding any property that remained, AMI officials have said. Bio-ONE officials said once they clean the building's contents, it's up Rustine to decide what to do with them..........

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-panthrax24mar24,0,3856673.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines



168 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:00 AM PST by Inkognitow
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Bob Stevens - Murdered by Anthrax


169 posted on 03/24/2005 8:26:48 AM PST by Inkognitow
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I do not see a problem here.

These pics can be digitized and electronically transmitted. Then destroy them. Only takes a couple of souls in biohazard suits to do the work.

170 posted on 03/24/2005 8:54:11 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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ANTHRAX TRIVIA
TODAY IN HISTORY 2005/03/24 10:55:27

1882: Robert Koch, the German bacteriologist who discovered the cholera bacillus and the bacterial cause of anthrax, announces the isolation of tuberculosis germs. He later won a 1905 Nobel Prize for developing tuberculin.

In 1872, Koeh became District Medical Officer in Wollstem, where he began important investigations into anthrax despite lack of research facillates. By using a suitable media he cultivated the anthrax organisms on microscopic slides. He was now able to demonstrate their growth into long filaments and discover oval translucent bodies within them, the dormant spores.

Finding that dried spores remained viable for years explained the recurrence of the disease in pastures long unused for grazing. When conditions were right the spores could develop into the rod-shaped bacilli of anthrax. On the invitation of an eminent botanist, Ferdinand Cohn, the anthrax life cycle was demonstrated at Breslau in 1876. However, it was only after Pasteur's demonstration of an anthrax vaccine in 1882 were Koch's findings accepted.




171 posted on 03/24/2005 1:13:26 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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You guys wre right. It's becoming a big story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151513,00.html
Homeland Security to Launch Anthrax Review



172 posted on 03/25/2005 5:11:36 PM PST by Shermy
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The review team is being headed up by a retired federal judge.
It's doomed to mediocrity, misdirection and lack of creative imagination. Not worth paying any attention to it.


173 posted on 03/25/2005 6:07:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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ANTHRAX ATTACK - NIGHTMARE ON V STREET (Background) http://www.nalc.org/news/precord/ArticlesPDF/0303-anthrax.pdf



174 posted on 03/25/2005 10:32:21 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Here's a bit of anthrax trivia :

175 posted on 03/26/2005 8:32:53 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Anthrax trivia (I'll try this again !)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-hs.anthrax25mar25,1,7971412.story?coll=bal-health-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true



176 posted on 03/26/2005 8:34:08 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Let me poke a few holes in this idea.

It says that they pretreated the spores with the substance and that renders them harmless.

I have always felt that if you tricked the anthrax spore into de-sporulating, then the spore would be technically dead.

Think of a seed. If you put that seed in moist ground, the environment around the seed is conducive for that seed to germinate. But if the environment suddenly changes and any of the necessary ingredients are withdrawn, say the soil suddenly dries up, the narrow window of germination is interrupted and the seed dies.

Thus so the anthrax spore. It also has a narrow window between the sensing that the environment is right, and then it "germinates" and must establish the infection.

So what this substance does is trick the anthrax spore to desporulate and begin the germination process, but then in this pretreatment involves treating then drying. These spores are like seeds that were started on a wet paper towel and then allowed to dry. They will never become plants.

I always thought you should spray a surface laced with anthrax spores with beef bullion. Then dry the surface out. What would you find???

All you scientists....I feel good today...argue with me.

177 posted on 03/26/2005 1:39:19 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Saturday, 03/26/05
Letter threatens Brentwood synagogue

Jewish holiday Purim Fri MAR 25

By IAN DEMSKY Staff Writer

White powder turned over to FBI for testing

The congregation of a Brentwood synagogue last night switched its service marking the Jewish holiday Purim to a local community center after receiving a threatening letter, along with suspicious white powder, in the mail yesterday afternoon.

Other Nashville-area businesses also were listed in the letter, said the FBI's D. Keith Bryars, who heads the Nashville Joint Terrorism Task Force. Bryars declined to identify or describe the other facilities, but he said the FBI had been in contact with them.

Rabbi Ken Kanter of Congregation Micah, 2001 Old Hickory Blvd., said the letter forced them to do some quick reorganization on the night of a holiday service.

''We were inconvenienced and we were forced to make some quick changes, but that's the only immediate reality change we dealt with,'' he said. ''There is a sadness that these things go on, but I also admire the strength, that in a crisis like this, the community gathers together and supports each other.''

The 260 worshippers who showed up for the service, which started late, showed ''great spirit and enthusiasm,'' Kanter said.

Kanter did not want to disclose the contents of the letter against the FBI's wishes but said it did not specifically single out the Jewish community.

An employee at the temple opened the envelope about 1 p.m., noticed the white powder and immediately placed it inside a cellophane bag, said Joaquin Toon, a spokesman for the Nashville Fire Department.

The fire department's Hazardous Material Unit was sent to the scene along with the FBI, the Metro police bomb squad and personnel from the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management, the Metro Health Department and the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency.

''It was an excellent response by all those groups,'' Bryars said. ''The individual and the area were decontaminated, and any residual effects would be negated by what they did.''

Emergency crews decontaminated the synagogue's office with water and bleach and had the employee scrub down with soap and water, Toon said.

Medics and representatives from the Metro Health Department examined the employee, who did not seem to have any ill effects, he said.

The FBI took control of the suspicious package, which was sent to a state crime lab in Nashville for testing.

The lab is part of a nationwide response network qualified to handle and test such an unknown material, Bryars said. It also reports to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta.

''The substance is undergoing testing to be 100% positive, but at this time there's no indication that it is, in fact, a biological agent such as anthrax or ricin.''

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and the anthrax attacks that followed, the frequency of similar suspicious incidents has declined, Bryars said.

Sunday religious school and adult programs at Congregation Micah have been canceled this week pending the results of the laboratory tests. A Bat Mitzvah ceremony scheduled at the temple today will be at the Gordon Jewish Community Center, 801 Percy Warner Blvd.

To report information

Law enforcement officials urged anyone with information about the suspicious letter received yesterday to contact the FBI at 292-5159 or call the Metro police nonemergency line at 862-8600.

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/05/03/67441899.shtml?Element_ID=67441899




178 posted on 03/27/2005 8:57:18 AM PST by Inkognitow
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Supposedly anthrax powder is anything but white. I don't know about ricin.



179 posted on 03/27/2005 9:26:17 AM PST by muawiyah
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I can see the handwriting on the wall.

We can send almost everything electronically. That would leave package transporters such as UPS and FEDEX. With them there is a known point (person) or origin.

I'm glad I do not work for the post office.



180 posted on 03/27/2005 9:37:39 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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BTW, the postal bandwidth is substantially greater than that of all electronics combined, and it provides you the option to select your audience geographically!
With the installation of devices to detect toxins and disease, USPS becomes safer.


181 posted on 03/27/2005 9:43:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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I still wonder why American Media, Inc Publications, where the National Enquirer Magazine had reported stories about the misbehaviors of Democrats BILL-HILLARY-JESSE-CONDIT no one else would publish,

...just had to become America's 1st Victims of Anthrax Attacks..?

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182 posted on 03/27/2005 9:51:04 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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I hope you are right and we keep some form of the postal service, but I remember one of the more impassioned pleas from a plaque in a building in Neosho, Missouri.

How will we ever stand for this! What will we do? These things that they are trying to eliminate from our world are things that have been with us since the time of Christ. This is so unfair and so against our culture and the future of our children.

It was posted in the Neosho Wagon Works, about 1900. They were quickly being taken over by the automobile. There were no wagon sales to speak of.

183 posted on 03/27/2005 12:27:25 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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Berry speaks out




Online from Allegany County, New York Sunday, March 27, 2005

Local News

Berry speaks out; Trying to get custody of son, life together after FBI anthrax raids in Wellsville, New Jersey

By JOHN ANDERSON/Wellsville Daily Reporter

WELLSVILLE -- "Nothing ever happens easy for me," Dr. reflected.

On Aug. 5, 2004, the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Berry's house on East Pearl Street in Wellsville, his old apartment on Maple Avenue and the summer home he was visiting in New Jersey.

The FBI claimed the search was "related to the FBI's ongoing investigation into the origin of the anthrax-laced letters mailed in September and October of 2001, which resulted in the deaths of five individuals and serious illness to 17 others."

Although Berry was never charged by the FBI, his life took a turn for the worse.

He was charged with simple assault in New Jersey the day of the raid, has three orders of protection against him, was called into court for a potential violation of an order of protection, he's faced failure to pay spousal support in New York and he has similar issues in Pennsylvania.

Today, he's fighting just to see his 4-year-old son, as his wife, Tana, says the child is actually not his because he was born four months before they were married.

In his first interview since the national spotlight was pointed at Wellsville during the August anthrax investigation, Berry talked to The Daily Reporter about his current legal battles and the FBI.

"(The FBI investigation) totally destroyed my life. I lost my reputation, my wife, my family, my son, my job ... everything," he said.

The FBI has not said if it found any traces of anthrax, and it has not charged Berry in connection with anthrax. The FBI was in and out of Wellsville in one day.

However, his wife, Tana, from whom he is now separated, said she was not surprised the FBI showed up at the door that Thursday morning.

"He knew he was being investigated, he knew it would happen sooner or later, he knew a search warrant was coming," said Tana.

When asked if the FBI investigation was a waste of time, she said, "That's not obvious, not to me anyway." When asked to further explain, Tana said "no comment."

Berry said he cooperated with the FBI and to this date has received, "No apology. No explanation. If you're trying to get into their heads ... good luck.

"I have no idea at all (the reason for the FBI raid)," Berry continued. "The best explanation I was given is, 'they are so big and powerful.'".


Berry has shifted his focus to a custody fight over his son and getting his life back together, which includes opening a practice in Wellsville.

"The most important thing is child custody of my son," he said. "Basically, my wife is trying to deny I am the father of my son. He is (my son). I am her husband."

Both parties agree on one thing, Tana was married to someone else during the pregnancy. However, the accusations start to fly after that.

Berry claims labor and delivery records along with birth certificates are missing from Jones Memorial Hospital in Wellsville, where he was the emergency room doctor from December of 1996 to October of 2001. Hospital officials did not return calls seeking comment.

"She had this whole thing set up four years ago including falsification of the birth certificates," claims Berry. "I remember when the baby was born, the date, the time and the nurse."

Tana countered, "That's news to me and totally ludicrous." Berry has worked at a hospital in Pittsburgh, commuting by plane while living in Wellsville. He was married and had seven children from two relationships.

Tana said he was working four days a week and slept a lot when he was home.

Berry founded an organization called PREEMPT Medical Counter-Terrorism in 1997. He filed a provisional patent for a system in October 2000 and filed the actual patent application Sept. 28, 2001, 10 days after the first anthrax letters were postmarked. He touted the system as an effective way to respond to bioterrorism attacks. He told the Daily Reporter he does not know Dr. Steven Hatfill, a former government scientist and bioweapons expert, whom the government labeled as a "person of interest" in the anthrax case.

But on Aug. 5, Berry and his family were vacationing at a home owned by his parents in Chadwick Beach in Dover Township, N.J., when the FBI showed up with a search warrant.

The family left and went to the White Sands Motel in Point Pleasant. Point Pleasant Police said around 1 p.m., a fight started over Tana giving FBI agents a cell phone. At 1:21 p.m., police were called as a physical altercation started. Police charged Berry, 46, with four counts of assault and a temporary restraining order was issued. Tana said that is now a lifetime restraining order in New Jersey.

"He has been convicted of assault, he savagely beat the hell out of my daughters, they needed medical attention, they have ongoing pain," said Tana from her Wellsville home on Saturday. "It's all nonsense, the harassment and violating an order of protection I have - I have three orders of protection signed by three judges to keep him away from me and my family."

"A lot of the public doesn't know how savagely he went after my children," Tana continued. "The FBI search was public and on TV. But he actually tried to kill one of my daughters ... he said that as he was slamming her head into a marble floor."

Berry said he was on a new prescription for a back injury and that he was on temporary disability when the assault took place. Police said Berry complained of illness and vomited.

"All my licenses are intact," Berry said. "As for the fight in hotel, I'll be cleared of that by the end of the year. The medication I was on may have made me more susceptible to a reaction like that ... it was simple assault, a non-criminal offense, that's why it didn't affect my life." Simple assault in New Jersey is defined as "attempts to cause, or purposefully knowing or recklessly causing bodily injury to another person." Another definition is: "Attempt by physical menace to put another in fear of imminent or serious bodily injury."

In New York, assault is generally a misdemeanor. Tana doesn't believe the medication claim, instead saying, "He's mentally ill."

She said her life has been crazy since the investigation and doesn't know what her future holds. "My son was one of the children injured during his sick attack in New Jersey," she said. "I just want him out of my life. Obviously this was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I just want to move on. "It's ridiculous to sit here and sling (mud) back and forth in the newspaper, but if he plans to move back, the public needs to know there is no denying what he did to my children and that there was an investigation," she added. Berry, who was speaking by phone from his New Jersey vacation home, thinks things are coming together for him. "As time progresses, I want to move back and practice there (in Wellsville)," he said. "The first couple months were horrible. Law enforcement agencies were not supportive and hostile.

"Now that six months have gone by, the pendulum has swung the other way," Berry continued. "The courts are civil and the law enforcement agencies are not as hostile." However, Berry is hostile over the way he feels he has been delayed in getting his custody hearing taken care of. He accuses Tana of delaying DNA testing and says she could face charges pertaining to that. The couple is fighting about the use of his credit cards and checks in the month after the anthrax investigation.

"I'm asking for a legal annulment, not a divorce, we're asking for (acknowledgment) that she fraudulently entered the marriage," said Berry. "Hence, this all could be eradicated with a DNA test. The judge ordered a DNA test in New Jersey. She's facing contempt charges in New Jersey because she didn't comply. "When I first went to marry her, in September of 2000, she found out she was still married. What happened at that point, I thought it was an error. That happened to me, as well as a cousin of mine," Berry continued. "You go to get your papers and find there is a goof up, either with the court or with an attorney. It's not a terribly uncommon event. However, she led me to believe it was accidental." Berry said Tana's attorney, William Gunner of Wellsville, is delaying this case through the Allegany County Court system and points to the fact he has not seen his son since Aug. 5, 2004.

"What happens in court is spouses don't agree," said Gunner. "So, every lawyer involved in a case is just an advocate for their client. It's their duty to zealously represent their client under the law and that's what we do in this case. I don't want to breach that privacy. I don't think it's confidentiality, but it's privacy. Ultimately, in the end, just like any case, the judge will make decisions and that will be the fact."

Gunner did say he sympathized with the fact that time is dragging on, but said it was not intentional. "I know what he's talking about. But there's procedures to be followed," said Gunner. "And in part of zealously defending your client, there is a process. I can see where one side might be upset, but there is a process that leads to a judge's decision. Those spouses that can agree with their differences never get to this stage.

"So anyone in divorce court or family court will have a disagreement or differing opinions. There will be an airing of the facts and the judge. It doesn't surprise me that people get disappointed or discouraged by the process, both sides get frustrated," he continued. "Not to speak for the judges, but they can't hear a case from beginning to end in the time the litigants would like."

Berry received his medical degree from the American University of the Caribbean, School of Medicine, in 1983. He worked for the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in McKeesport, Pa., but said he lost his job two days after the raid. His contract ran up on Nov. 8., 2004 and was not renewed, hospital officials said.

"The University at Pittsburgh is the No. 1 receiver for federal funds for bio-defense," said Berry. "Needless to say, it was a public relations risk and it threatened their funding - especially in the light that the previous fellow, Hatfill. The FBI sent an e-mail saying since they were receiving funding, they wanted him to be fired." Berry, the past president of the American Academy of Emergency Physicians, said he is forced to just wait for legal matters to end.

"I'm in New Jersey ... pending to my court matters here and in New York," he added.

http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/articles/2005/03/27/local_news/news01.txt


184 posted on 03/27/2005 9:04:59 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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I don't remember this guy at all and he must have really hurt those kids to get a lifetime restraining order filed against him.

What didn't make sense to me in the article is this:

"The family left and went to the White Sands Motel in Point Pleasant. Point Pleasant Police said around 1 p.m., a fight started over Tana giving FBI agents a cell phone."

Did the reporter mean to say that Tana called the FBI. Why would she give them a cell phone? And is she the vindictive person who started the entire investigation into him as payback of a tumultuous relationship?



185 posted on 03/28/2005 3:40:05 AM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/breaking_news/11247450.htm

Iraqi anthrax scientist kept her secret

CHARLES J. HANLEY

Associated Press


In early 2003, as war fever built in Washington, an Iraqi scientist faced a fateful choice.

Rihab Rashid Taha could try to lower the heat by finally telling U.N. inspectors what happened to Iraq's "missing" anthrax.

Or she could remain silent, rather than risk Saddam Hussein's wrath.

The microbiologist's dilemma, she has told U.S. interrogators, was that her team 12 years earlier had destroyed the lethal bacteria by dumping it practically at the gates of one of Saddam's main palaces, and the feared Iraqi despot might grow enraged at news of anthrax on his doorstep.

Taha chose silence in 2003, thus stoking suspicions of those who contended Iraq still harbored biological weapons. Soon thereafter, two years ago this month, the United States invaded.

"Whether those involved understood the significance and disastrous consequences of their actions is unclear," the CIA-led Iraq Survey Group says of Taha and colleagues in its final report on Iraq weapons-hunting. "These efforts demonstrate the problems that existed on both sides in establishing the truth."

It also demonstrates anew that the war was launched on the basis not of hard fact, but of speculation and untruths, especially about Iraqi motives and actions.

"We ourselves had a lesson to learn there," one ex-arms inspector, Australian microbiologist Rod Barton, says of the account by Taha, still in U.S. detention in Iraq.

The anthrax mystery had bedeviled U.N. inspectors since the 1990s.

The Iraqis claimed then that before the 1991 Gulf War they had made 2,191 gallons of anthrax, considered highly suited for biowarfare because its spores are relatively easily produced, durable and deadly when inhaled. They said they destroyed all of it in mid-1991 at their bioweapons center at Hakam, 50 miles southwest of Baghdad.

The U.N. experts, who scoured Iraq for banned arms from 1991-98 and again in 2002-03, confirmed anthrax had been dumped at Hakam. But they also found evidence indicating Iraq produced an additional, undeclared 1,800 gallons of anthrax.

In early 2003, chief inspector Hans Blix put the seeming discrepancy high on his list of Iraq's "unresolved disarmament issues," complaining the Iraqis must be withholding information. Colin Powell dwelled on an anthrax threat in his February 2003 speech seeking U.N. Security Council authority for war.

Warning of "tens of thousands of teaspoons" of anthrax still in Iraq, the then-U.S. secretary of state said of the discrepancy, "This is evidence, not conjecture. This is true."

But the truth appears to lie elsewhere, according to the account disclosed in a little-noted section of the Iraq Survey Group report, a 350,000-word document issued last Oct. 6.

The British-educated Taha, who ran the Hakam complex in the 1980s, told interrogators her staff carted off anthrax from Hakam in April 1991 and stored it in a bungalow near the presidential palace at Radwaniyah, 20 miles west of Baghdad, the U.S. teams report.

Later that year the crew dumped the chemically deactivated anthrax on grounds surrounded by a Special Republican Guard barracks near the palace, the report says. Barton, who took part in Iraq Survey Group interrogations, said in a recent Australian Broadcasting Corp. interview that the disposal was carried out in July 1991 when Iraqi orders came down to destroy all bioweapons agents immediately.

Then, through the years, Taha and other Iraqi officials denied the "missing" anthrax ever existed.

"The members of the program were too scared to tell the Regime that they had dumped deactivated anthrax within sight of one of the principal presidential palaces," the Iraq Survey Group says.

The arms hunters' report also concludes, "ISG's investigation found no evidence that Iraq continued to hide BW (biological) weapons after the unilateral destruction of 1991 was complete."

"We knew there was a lie," Barton said, "but we jumped to the wrong conclusions."

The U.N. inspection agency says in an assessment of the U.S. report that the Taha disclosure is "perhaps the most significant new information" in the biological area. It suggested sampling and analysis at the Radwaniyah site to corroborate her account.



186 posted on 03/28/2005 7:09:24 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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"he smells like a Camel; Club Member."

Monday, August 09, 2004
Dr. Kenneth Berry Update

The head scratching continues about this "person of interest" [my term] for the FBI. A medical doctor has e-mailed me with his thoughts, and please note his final comment:
This guy is a zero. The American Univ of the Caribbean is a fifth pathway school -- guys from the East Coast go there when they can't get into a US medical school, and they then try to transfer to an American med school (the "fifth pathway") prior to graduation. Used to work some (the Carter administration tried to make it mandatory for US med schools to accept fifth pathway transfers, but the med schools told them to shove it). But in the last decade or so transfers are almost completely shut down.

So our bright boy graduates from AUC. He is NOT going to get a good residency in the states in any specialty. St. Joseph's Med Ctr -- which St. Joe's, there are a number of them. He did a community hospital residency in family medicine, probably a free-standing residency not affiliated with a university. Ick. Training is mediocre, more like an apprenticeship, with (mostly) a non-dedicated teaching staff and relatively few opportunities to distinguish himself.

Regardless, he gets a certification in family medicine. I'd like to know what the 2nd residency was all about. The AMA page doesn't specify the order of residencies done, so I don't know if the surgery residency was first (and he asked to leave) or second. But he's not a certified surgeon, so he obviously didn't complete it. And "Wilson Memorial Regional Medical Center" isn't a stellar residency, either (Googled it to Johnston City, NY).

Rex is correct, there is no specialty training in WMD per se. Physicians with expertise in biologicals generally would be infectious disease specialists. For any, the Emergency Medicine docs would be expected to have good, basic knowledge in triage and treatment, but they wouldn't be expected to have in-depth knowledge as to pathophysiology, research, etc.

Rex is also correct in noting that, especially for small hospitals in rural America, a family medicine doc who wanted to be an ER "specialist" could be one. Emergency Medicine as a specialty is a new idea, but their residency programs are cranking out graduates. Those new docs tend to cluster in better-supported, more desirable places to live. But if he wanted to be an ER doc in Wellsville, he could do it.[snip]

There is no "Board of Certification of Emergency Medicine." There IS an American Board of Emergency Medicine, a member of the American Board of Medical Specialties. The ABMS certifies doctors in their specialties after training, and the ABEM would do the certifying of emergency medicine docs.

Go here for a description of their Board of Directors. It seems that one of the requirements is that you're EM certified, which Dr. Berry apparently isn't. He's also not a graduate of an ACGME-certified (ACGME = American Council of Graduate Medical Education, which certifies the training programs) EM program, according to his bio.[snip]

I ran Dr. Berry's name through PubMed, the interface for the National Library of Medicine, a premier search engine for health care. It lists and indexes every single article published in every medical and biological sciences journal that is indexed, and that's a big list. "Berry KM" brings up 2 listings, neither of which is our guy.

In simple terms, Chuck: I think this guy stinks to high heaven.
Here's where we stand.
Dr. Berry's public CV has some inaccurate names for groups that he should know the correct names of.
He is not published in any manner that we can discover.
His CV lists nothing that would qualify him to be an expert on WMD.
Dr. Berry's CV lists nothing that would have allowed him access to anthrax spores.
His CV lists nothing that would make him in any way expert enough to be a part of the Flight 800 crash investigation, other than in a very minor role.

Let's keep in mind that the FBI and the Postal Inspectors investigate a variety of crimes other than terrorism, and that the anthrax murders could involve other crimes. Is it possible that crimes such as mail fraud, extortion, or filing a false instrument might occur in the context of these murders? On the other hand, the problems with Dr. Berry's past might all resolve if we postulate that he spent some time as a government employee which he cannot list on his CV for some odd reason.

Dr. Berry has not, as far as I know, been charged with a federal crime. And there may be very satisfactory answers to our questions about his CV. And... yes, he did not graduate for a prestigious medical school but that does not make him a bad doctor. So, he still remains a mystery to us.


-- posted by Chuck at Monday, August 09, 2004 | E-mail | Permalink | Main | 4 comments
4 Comments:

he smells like a Camel; Club Member.

By Anonymous, at 5:32 PM

Yes, he may be one of the "CISKO" bunch from IUP. He certainly knew Dr. Fredrick W. Woodley [ IUP 1998]&
Charles Brown [IUP 1990] who went to Ft. Detrick in late 1990. Also, Investigator Cole [IUP 1988] knows who Berry is. I will see if I can find his photo on the letters, Cole made for us.
The Camel club at Ft. Detrrick, came from IUP years ago & Cisko & Patrick were the organizers. The "true" Kamel Klub Kid was Fredrick W. Woodley & He was very proud to be a member of the KKK - although he was self appointed.[since the real KKK would not have such an asshole] I am very suprized that his name was used at Ft. Detrick in 1992 and recorded, along with the Name Charles Brown; as part of the investigation involving Dr. Assaad.
If the FBI finds out Berry was still partying with the old Camel Club members from IUP- then he best come clean with the FBI ASAP; or he may find himself locked in the big house - with all the Camel Club Members. I wonder if Berry knew that they plnned to kill people in the attacks???
Boy, those Camel Club Members shure could smoke the reefer, I'll bet Cisko still has some in his deep freezer. The one thing that I can not understand is why Donna M. Grant [iup 1989] has not come clean in the investigation; we know she had a "hand" in it.
Ps: Dr. Steven J. Hatfill recieved 2 medical degrees from a university in Zimbawue. IUP biology department has a long standing teacher exchange program with the University of Zimbawue. Could Cisko or Patrick have learned about Hatfill through that program? IDEAS?

By Anonymous, at 1:08 PM

correction> Fredrick w. woodley graduated IUP in 1989 not 1998 & is nick name "The Kamel Klub Kid" was recorded at Ft. Detrick at the time Charles Brown got in trouble with Dr. Assaad.
Cisko instructed the aformentioned persons not to put their pictures in the IUP yearbooks, so you will need an IUP alumni directory to find them.
Also Charles brown went as far as to change his middel inital, not only in the Alumni Directory, but also in the 1990 IUP telephone directory; just to cover his tracks from IUP to Ft. Detrick. Check it out it's a matter of record & stored at the IUP archives.
Thank You..

By Anonymous, at 1:31 PM

This information can sit here untill hell freeses over.
You people want facts about the anthrax attacks of 2001. Then get to work!

By Anonymous, at 3:37 PM

http://blog.simmins.org/2004/08/dr-kenneth-berry-update.html





187 posted on 03/28/2005 11:54:10 AM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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I'm still confused by the FBI/cell phone statement I mentioned earlier.



188 posted on 03/28/2005 12:00:45 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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A victim of particularly severe harassment, Army investigators concluded, was Ayaad Assaad, a physiologist and Egyptian American who began work at USAMRIID in 1988. In a mocking reference to Assaad's Arab descent, two top USAMRIID officers established a "Camel Club" and awarded a stuffed toy camel each week to a scientist who had not performed to their expectations, an investigation by the Army shows.
The elaborate weekly ceremony included the recitation of a sexually explicit poem about Assaad, according to the documents.

The senior USAMRIID officers took photographs of themselves cavorting with the stuffed camel -- photos that were developed in an Army photo lab, the investigators found. The two officers implicated in the incidents left the Army in the mid-1990s, and USAMRIID's commander issued a formal apology to Assaad.

Assaad filed suit against the Army in 1998 after losing his job in a round of staff cuts a year earlier.

Assaad was among several former USAMRIID workers who have contended in interviews that control of biological hazards was lax, at least until the mid-1990s.

In an interview yesterday, Assaad repeated his assertion that anthrax spores in dry, powdered form were produced as a byproduct of research at USAMRIID and said he strongly suspects, based on his nearly 10 years there, that the anthrax letters will eventually be connected to the lab.

Those suspicions were strengthened, he said, when he learned that someone had anonymously written the FBI in late September -- days before the first anthrax cases were reported -- warning that Assaad was a "potential bioterrorist."

Rosemary McDermott, Assaad's lawyer, said she met with FBI agents on Oct. 3. They told her the letter was a hoax, she said.McDermott and Assaad noted however, that the public was not aware of the anthrax attacks until officials disclosed in early October that a photo editor for a Florida tabloid newspaper was suffering from the disease and had been admitted to a hospital Oct. 2.

"Whoever sent the anthrax letters did this to divert attention," Assaad said. "They knew the attacks would be eventually traced back to USAMRIID, and they used me as a scapegoat. Who better than an Arab American scientist who used to work there?"

Staff writers Susan Schmidt and Rick Weiss contributed to this report.

© 2002 The Washington Post Company


189 posted on 03/28/2005 12:12:04 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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"According to the Wellsville Daily Reporter, Dr. Berry's wife allegedly gave a cell phone to the FBI while cooperating with the investigation which started a feud. Since this seems to be a comment by Tana after they returned home, it seems more reliable than earlier media reports which merely said the fight was "over a cell phone".



190 posted on 03/28/2005 12:18:11 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Oh. That sounds more right. Thanks.



191 posted on 03/28/2005 12:36:38 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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Interesting blog-of a sort.

It makes you wonder about the contributors-but,of course,that's the whole idea...



192 posted on 03/28/2005 12:52:38 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Don't know what to make of this blog but find it interesting that Berry is mentioned along with Assaad and the infamous Camel Club. Detrick was a likely source of the mailers anthrax. Wonder what really occurred there.



193 posted on 03/28/2005 3:10:37 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Well,Ed,

The happenings of the "Camel Club" were long since settled-except in the minds of conspiracy theorists from the west coast,who have been preaching "The Jews did it !",since well before 9/11.

When these "conspiracies" are tracked back to their source,it is generally an individual or group that is part of the Arab-aligned "White Aryan Resistance" or its polar opposite,MeCHA.

Even as a non-Jew,brought up to be suspicious of Jews,I find such crap tiring; but I realize it will not go away.





194 posted on 03/28/2005 3:51:56 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Interesting note from a real physician. The incorrect notation of the name of the board is certainly telling.

But is he a "likely candidate" to take the fall for our anthrax perp??

195 posted on 03/28/2005 4:02:41 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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ED????

Dr. Berry Speaks About Anthrax Searches
By: Ross · Section: Diaries

Last August the FBI search the home of an ER physician in Pennsylvania and a summer home he was visiting in New Jersey.

The FBI explained at the time the search was "related to the its ongoing investigation into the origin of the anthrax-laced letters mailed in September and October of 2001, which resulted in the deaths of five individuals and serious illness to 17 others."

Dr. Berry was never charged by the FBI and today was quoted in a lengthy article by his award-winning hometown paper, the Wellsville Daily Reporter.

"(The FBI investigation) totally destroyed my life. I lost my reputation, my wife, my family, my son, my job ... everything," he said.

"He knew he was being investigated, he knew it would happen sooner or later, he knew a search warrant was coming," said his wife.

(He and his wife are now in a custody fight over their young son.)

Dr. Berry said he cooperated with the FBI and to this date has received, "No apology. No explanation. If you're trying to get into their heads ... good luck."

"I have no idea at all (the reason for the FBI raid)," Berry was quoted as saying. "The best explanation I was given is, 'they are so big and powerful.' "

"As time progresses, I want to move back and practice there (in Wellsville)," he said. "The first couple months were horrible. Law enforcement agencies were not supportive and hostile."

"Now that six months have gone by, the pendulum has swung the other way," the detailed Daily Reporter article quoted him saying. "The courts are civil and the law enforcement agencies are not as hostile."

He lost his job at a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center at McKeesport.

"The University at Pittsburgh is the No. 1 receiver for federal funds for bio-defense," said Berry. "Needless to say, it was a public relations risk and it threatened their funding - especially in the light that the previous fellow, Hatfill. The FBI sent an e-mail saying since they were receiving funding, they wanted him to be fired."

The article has no information about an alibi or access to virulent Ames. It mainly focused on the couple's custody dispute and ongoing discord.

While we wait to see what comes of the Amerithrax investigation, what lessons can be learned from the Hatfill and Berry matters?

From the perspective of the possible person of interest: Consent to any requested search because this juggernaut doesn't take no for an answer.

Should the agents have worn hazmat suits for the search? Reasonable people can disagree. But it seems that the government -- for all its power -- is relatively powerless in the court of public opinion. Investigators are damned if they do -- and damned if they don't. If they have sufficient reason to conduct a search, then would it be reasonable to expect an unprotected investigator to poke in this nook or cranny without protective gear?

There's a new book about the anthrax investigation titled "Analyzing the Anthrax Attacks: The First 3 Years," by Edward G. Lake. (It is available at Amazon)

If the stern warnings by the FBI, NYPD and Interpol earlier this month about a threatened anthrax attack are any indication, we should look behind the headlines and study the matter. And all seems well -- or not -- in Wellsville -- and so whatever your opinion about the case the new book affords the opportunity of testing what we think about Amerithrax.

Often we learn the most from those making the opposite argument. As author Lake correctly urges, you can't know whether you'll be persuaded until you study the evidence.

Though he has been a close student of all that has been published on Amerithrax, Mr. Lake does not, in fact, set out the relevant facts relating to an Al Qaeda theory for examination and never has (in thousands of posts).

Ed settled on his view that Al Qaeda was not responsible in 2001. He then just chose not to address documentary evidence and other evidence obtained in interrogations over the past few years. The evidence includes

(1) the documentary evidence found on Ayman Zawahiri's computer (to include his emails to Atef and his study of the USAMRIID Army anthrax program),

(2) the anthrax production documents on Khalid Mohammed's laptop,

(3) the statements of detainees in 1999 that Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad intended to use anthrax against US targets because of the rendering of its leaders,

(4) the detention of various microbiologists and bacteriologists working with Al Qaeda,

(5) the physical evidence relating to the lap equipment found at Kandahar,

(6) the activities of various operatives known to have been complicitous with the 9/11 hijackers (to include potential access to the Ames strain of anthrax), and

(7) the code used by the anthrax mailer in comparison to the code used by the 911 participants.

His familiar argument that the hijackers are dead rings hollow in contrast to the thoughtful analysis by Kenneth Dillon, a former State Department analyst, about Jdey, who was in Montreal in September and October 2001. The names of various other operatives known to have been in contact with the hijackers have never been typed on his keyboard.

Mr. Lake is simply advocating his view that a US biodefense insider did it while purporting to be dispassionate. He imagines a conspiracy under which the perps are motivated by emotional reasons, not even a financial motive. But he's the one who is ignoring "the facts" -- the evidence that would be relied on by a US Attorney in court in alleging a conspiracy to send anthrax in the mails. Although only time will tell (hopefully), such an indictment likely will read very much like the indictment in the 1998 embassy bombings.

Ed's suggestion that a child wrote the letters (because block letters were used) has always been especially silly. It is not difficult for an adult to disguise his writing (using block letters). There would be no reason to involve a child. Ed spends ten pages and 18 subarguments in arguing that a child -- a 6 year old child entering first grade no less -- wrote the letter. He thinks that the writer of the letter the writer must not have known the illegal nature of what he was doing or else the person would not have become bored and doodled -- tracing over 5 A's and two or three T's. He concludes that "the letter writer was totally unaware of the serious consequences of what he was doing." He thinks that the mailer kept a copy of the original for his files so he could prove that he did it. On the issue of the J-Lo letter, while disagreeing with the CDC conclusion that the publisher received two letters containing anthrax, he nowhere mentions or addresses the two routes of contamination through Florida post offices.

While purporting to be debunking an Al Qaeda theory in his editorial summary of the book, he nowhere mentions or addresses the anthrax planning and anthrax spray drying documents on Zawahiri's and Khalid Mohammed's computers. If someone were actually addressing relevant evidence in supporting an Al Qaeda theory in order to debunk it, one would address the direct evidence of motive, planning, means, and modus operandi represented by Al Qaeda's Zabadi ("Curdled Milk") program documents. Nor does he mention the bacteriologists and microbiologists who have been detained.

He butchers the question of modus operandi by making assertions without any support and ignoring what the experts say --- for example, the former CIA Al Qaeda expert Mike Scheuer's argument that the plotters feel that clear warning is required by the Quran before the use of WMD. He spends a lot of time on the text of the letters and envelopes -- and the return address of "Greendale School". Yet he nowhere mentions that Zawahiri used "school" ( in an important May 2001 letter to his followers) to refer to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad or that anthrax lab technician Yazid Sufaat named his laboratory Green Laboratory Medicine (because green symbolizes islam).

Similarly, on this question of modus operandi, he nowhere addresses and the mailing of letter bombs to newspaper branches in DC and NYC in 1997, as well as symbolic targets, in connection with the detention of the WTC 1993 plotters. Nor does he address the instances of mailings of nerve agent or cyanide by senders purporting to be islamist.

As for opportunity, he repeatedly argues that the hijackers were "DEAD" and argues that the FBI would mention other operatives if they thought there were any. He seems unaware of the multi-million dollar rewards for the likes of, for example, Jdey or Jafar the Pilot, as if he is unaware of FBI BOLOs ("Be On The Lookout Alerts").

He never considers why Jafar the Pilot (I believe) met with anthrax lab technician Yazid Sufaat in June 2001
-- indeed, he never so much as mentions either of their names.

He disagrees with the CIA's conclusion that Atta's inquiries were for the purpose of dispersing a biological agent. All the while he pedantically argues the importance of addressing "facts" and not opinions.

In a revision of the book (it was self-published), he should (1) drop the child theory, (2) drop his letter-writer-didn't-know-he-was-doing-wrong-lest-he-wouldn't-have-doodled- ATTA's-name" theory, (3) address the facts supporting an Al Qaeda theory (to include the computer planning and preparation documents and the technical people detained), (4) and drop his own Berry-like theory of who did it.

And if he is going to disagree with experts such as the CDC and CIA, he should point out their conclusions and what they rely on. Otherwise, his argument just serves to obfuscate an important issues (such as the J-Lo letter or the question of Al Qaeda modus operandi). In the case of the CDC's conclusion that there were two letters sent to the different publications of the AMI, he fails to mention that there were two distnct paths of contamination through area post offices (one was mailed to the publication's earlier address and forwarded). The JLo letter and Atta's Jenny code in his communications with Ramzi Binalshibh -- without more -- indicate Al Qaeda's responsibility.

Having said all that, I note that the former bioweaponeer William Patrick reports to the author that, in his opinion, the book is a "must read." And he's the one advising that the juggernaut -- that "big and powerful" FBI -- not me.

While we may not be able to get into the FBI's head, to get into Ayman Zawahiri's head, go to:

http://www.anthraxandalqaeda.com


Mar 28th, 2005: 16:36:56, Not Rated


http://ross.redstate.org/story/2005/3/28/163656/



196 posted on 03/28/2005 4:08:29 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Ah ! You got me there !!

I thought "Elmo Lincoln" was a "cleverly disguised" Ed Lake.




197 posted on 03/28/2005 4:19:02 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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"The happenings of the "Camel Club" were long since settled..."

Perhaps, but I don't think so.



198 posted on 03/28/2005 4:21:49 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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We look nothing alike:)


Ed Lake

Elmo Lincoln


199 posted on 03/28/2005 4:35:46 PM PST by Elmo Lincoln
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Ayman Zawahiri: Eat your heart out !!




200 posted on 03/28/2005 5:03:48 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Two labs confirmed Pentagon anthrax: same genetic strain used in the 2001 attacks.
UPI ^ | March 21, 2005 | Dee Ann Divis


Posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by Gene Vidocq


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Ayman Zawahiri



Ross


201 posted on 03/28/2005 5:12:51 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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(Music up)
Ayman-
You with the bars in your eyes
Infidels made a fool of you-
You thought you were so wise !

Ayman-
Your finger's up in the air
It had better not be the middle one
Or we'll put pork in your rice !

Everybody sing !!


202 posted on 03/28/2005 5:35:25 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Which one is Ross?



203 posted on 03/28/2005 5:47:45 PM PST by Allan
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"Everybody sing !!"


Ay, ya, ya ya

Ayman Zawahiri

Dah alli bareedo.

Ilnaas koullaha A'aiynha a'alaiik.

Dah alli bareedo.

Ilnaas koullaha A'aiynha a'alaiik.

Ay, ya, ya. Oo la, la. Kida, Kidah, Allaah.




http://www.shira.net/samara.htm



204 posted on 03/28/2005 7:10:48 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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"Which one is Ross?"


The one with the Harvard Law Degree and a One Track Mind.



205 posted on 03/28/2005 7:21:14 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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"The band Anthrax takes on anthrax vaccine"

Give me a break!


206 posted on 03/28/2005 7:33:20 PM PST by Inkognitow
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"The happenings of the "Camel Club" were long since settled..."

Perhaps, but I don't think so.


"The Rhyme of the Ancient Camellier"

"Ayaad Assaad was the start,
with a reputation for not having heart
A 'skimmer' without equal
We hope there's no sequel
In his honor we created this beast
It represents life lower than yeast
Whoever is voted this sucker,
you can't duck her,
You must accept blame,
And bear all the shame
Unlike Assaad,
that first mother%#$&#%"

***

Well it's time for the camel to pass
So let's all reach and raise up a glass.
Let's give'm the credit,
the one who will get it
the poor bastard we're gonna harass."




Fort Detrick's anthrax mystery
Who tried to frame Dr. Ayaad Assaad,
a former biowarfare researcher at the Army lab?
Was it the same person responsible for last fall's anthrax mail terrorism?
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By Laura Rozen
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/26/assaad/index_np.html


http://glassfrequency.blogspot.com/2002B_Rozen_Salon.html



207 posted on 03/28/2005 8:08:11 PM PST by Inkognitow
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"the poor bastard we're gonna harass."

On the night of March 12, Ayaad Assaad received a call from a person representing himself as a Louisiana F.B.I. agent. The caller demanded to know if Assaad had been told who wrote the Quantico letter. To prove his credentials, the caller rattled off personal information from as far back as Assaad's Egyptian high school -- the Arabic name of which he pronounced correctly. Assaad believes he recognized the caller's source of information: he was likely reading from Assaad's confidential SF-171, a U.S.-government employment application form that had been on file at USAMRIID.

Frightened, Dr. Assaad hung up, then called me at home at 10 P.M. to tell me of the incident. I assured him the call was fraudulent. The F.B.I. does not conduct its business in that way.

There were, in my opinion, a few people whose recorded voices should be played back to Assaad to see if he recognized one of them as his anonymous caller. Though it is a felony to impersonate an F.B.I. agent, the task force decided not to investigate. According to Assaad, when he finally called the F.B.I., he was told to get caller ID.


208 posted on 03/28/2005 8:23:33 PM PST by Inkognitow
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"A lot of good has come from it . . . five people have died, but we've put about $6 billion in our budget . . ."

-David Franz



Anthrax Plot Against Liberals?

By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid | November 8, 2001 "He'd have to learn a lot more than just what he knew working with underarm aerosol sprays."

The federal government's handling of the anthrax controversy seems like the Keystone Cops. The most serious aspect was the failure to immediately test postal workers, two of whom died of anthrax exposure. Media coverage has followed confusing government statements. First, the anthrax in Senator Tom Daschle's office was said to be "weapons-grade." Then a government scientist said it was "common-variety" anthrax. Then we were told it was, in fact, weapons-grade.

The letters were discovered after the terror attacks of September 11th. Some of the letters say, "Death to America," and have praise for Allah. It seems obvious to some that radical Muslims wrote the poison letters. The letters are written or printed in such a way as to suggest they are the work of someone who has just learned his letters and the language. That, too, suggests a foreigner who hasn't been in the U.S. very long.

But what seems obvious to some doesn't make sense to others. Gary Brown, described as a retired Air Force counter terrorism specialist, told the Washington Post that he suspected the anthrax terrorism was domestic because, he said, one of the letters went to Daschle, "who's on the left. If it's a home-grown militia effort, Daschle's a likely target." But Daschle has never been a major target of the far right-wing. He's never been seen as a major left-wing figure. One might expect the militia send a letter to an official of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Iraq has been suggested as a possible source, and this makes a lot of sense. Iraq has concealed its hand in past terrorist incidents, such as the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. But Iraq's foreign minister and top scientist assured Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes that they would never do such a thing. Following the lead of that so-called expert quoted in the Post, some of the talking heads in the media have started suggesting that right-wingers are the source of the anthrax. On CNBC's Hardball show, Chris Mathews suggested the source was someone who hates liberals working at a plant making underarm deodorant.

"It's been my hunch for days now," he said, "that [the source is] some angry person perhaps living in the New Jersey area who has been an employee of a major pharmaceutical company that may work with aerosol sprays for underarm deodorants or whatever. Would that kind of engineer have the capability – just because he didn't like the country, didn't like liberals or media people, to produce this kind of anthrax and put it in an envelope?"

His guest was David Franz, the vice president of chemical and biological defenses at the Southern Research Institute and a former commander at the Army's germ defense lab at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. Franz politely said Mathews didn't know what he was talking about. He explained, "He'd have to learn a lot more than just what he knew working with underarm aerosol sprays. Those are chemicals, and here we're dealing with living things. We're dealing with a spore that you have to keep alive…" One doesn't know whether to laugh or cry at Mathews' pathetic attempt to blame conservatives for the anthrax" terrorism.

***

Col. David R. Franz:

"A former commander of Fort Detrick, Col. David Franz, said, "A lot of good has come from it . . . five people have died, but we've put about $6 billion in our budget . . ."

But for the families of the five people who died, it is cold comfort."

(ABC News, 4/4/02).

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" An anonymous letter was sent to the FBI describing Egyptian-born Dr. Ayaad Assaad as a "potential terrorist" early last October right before the anthrax letters. Although the FBI cleared him of any suspicion, his victimization by a racist clique at Fort Detrick prior to his layoff in 1997 was revealed. At that time he was targeted with racist poison pen letters.

His supervisor, Col. David Franz, "slammed the door in my face," asserted Assaad, "when I complained." Dr. Richard Crosland and Dr. Kay Mereish described Fort Detrick Commander Franz as a "bigot" and "racist" when they were laid off in the same year that Hatfill was hired."

(Hartford Courant, 12/19/01)


209 posted on 03/29/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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March 29, 2005

By TIM MILLER
6 News Anchor/Reporter

OAK RIDGE (WATE) -- A report by the DOE's Office of the Inspector General says that allegations of improper anthrax research at ORNL are true.

The investigation was conducted in fall 2004. The 10 page report was released Tuesday.

The inspector general says a guest researcher at the national lab didn't get authorization to conduct research on dead anthrax spores.

Although the dead spores didn't pose a health hazard, the report says they could have caused false positives for anthrax in biological detectors. The report says the false positives could have caused public distress.

Also, the report says the dead anthrax spores weren't checked in or secured, a significant safety concern that could've led to possible theft.

However, ORNL says that no regulations were violated.

"When you kill biological material," says the lab's Brian Davison, "it becomes just dead protein. There's no hazard at all. The researcher was approved for doing work on detection of proteins and was aware that he was working with these spores. And he got the dead spores in by approved measures."

Davison adds that ORNL formally communicated with the inspector general's office its concerns that the federal department over-reacted when a draft of the report was released.

The inspector general made several recommendations in the report. Some of those are that ORNL should make sure only authorized researchers can conduct work at the lab and that security reviews should be done on all biological products.

Representatives at the lab say although they disagree with much of the report, they agree with some of the recommendations and are working to improve security measures.



210 posted on 03/29/2005 5:18:24 PM PST by Gene Vidocq (Damnation is the price he'll pay, for an evil man's desire.)
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Just watched a National Geographic special on the hijacking of Air France Flight in Algeria. There was a flight attendant at the end that made a remark that has jogged my brain.

She said that the hijackers on Air France were just boys who didn't really know what they were doing. The ones that hit the WTC had learned lessons.

One thing the WTC hijackers did was to NOT take over the plane until it was already in the air. Being on the ground in Algeria for such a long time, the French intel had learned that they were going to crash the plane into the Eifel Tower and all the people gathered there. They also apparently killed the pilot and co-pilot and had taken lessons on how to fly the planes themselves.

What lessons can we learn from this information concerning anthrax?

How did the perps FAIL in the anthrax attacks of 2001? How could they improve? What targets are they looking at now?

I would think they would love to hit Pope John Pauls' funeral. We all knew this was inevitable. How long have they been planning this?

Your thoughts?



211 posted on 04/03/2005 12:44:03 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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